If the Sox trade for Juan Soto we have a chance.

[vilehoopster]

5 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Why is this thread 10 pages? There is literally zero chance the Sox would ever trade for Soto in the first place, let alone give him 500 million dollars. Only way this would ever become even a possibility is if Jerry no longer owns the team.

This is 100% correct. Like talking about getting Machado and Harper, they were never, Soto is never going to happen. 

[DirtySox]

7 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Why is this thread 10 pages? There is literally zero chance the Sox would ever trade for Soto in the first place, let alone give him 500 million dollars. Only way this would ever become even a possibility is if Jerry no longer owns the team.

Because it's the boring ass All-Star break and it's fun for people to make fake trade packages.

[hogan873]

5 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Why is this thread 10 pages? There is literally zero chance the Sox would ever trade for Soto in the first place, let alone give him 500 million dollars. Only way this would ever become even a possibility is if Jerry no longer owns the team.

Trading for him and seeing him go elsewhere after 2024 is MUCH more likely than trading for him and extending him...obviously.  The cost for just the 2.5 years of control will be very high.  The Sox have the players to do it since it wouldn't be all prospects.  One or two (good) major league players would be the cornerstone.  Like Vaughn and Crochet, or Kopech and Moncada, or Leury and Zavala ?.

I saw someone post why not just make a huge splash and go after Judge in the off season.  Love the idea, but there's no way the Sox offer enough.  Just like they'd have no hope of extending Soto.

Still, 2.5 seasons of Soto would be huge for this team.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 minute ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Why is this thread 10 pages? There is literally zero chance the Sox would ever trade for Soto in the first place, let alone give him 500 million dollars. Only way this would ever become even a possibility is if Jerry no longer owns the team.

No one expects the Sox to pay Soto his worth when he reaches Free Agency. Heck they probably can't afford to pay him what he'll get in arbitration for the remainder of his contract. A trade would be for Soto's remaining 2.5 years only because Soto puts the Sox where we need to be for the contention window.

I think the Sox record would be vastly improved had they had run production of the type Soto provides from the left side. There is a very slim chance it happens but it's not impossible. Let us have our fun speculating about it. Heck we have no idea how any team and even how the Sox value Eloy right now. He can still become a great hitter if he can ever stay on the field and he is cost controlled with an option through 2026. You'd have to think Eloy still might draw some interest from the Nats.

One thing we know for sure is that the Sox won't be taking on Strasburg or Corbin's contracts and I'm doubtful any other team does also.

[hogan873]

5 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

This is 100% correct. Like talking about getting Machado and Harper, they were never, Soto is never going to happen. 

But...but...the Sox were convinced their offer was good enough for Machado!  KW was so shocked he had to do an interview in sunglasses.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

No one expects the Sox to pay Soto his worth when he reaches Free Agency. Heck they probably can't afford to pay him what he'll get in arbitration for the remainder of his contract. A trade would be for Soto's remaining 2.5 years only because Soto puts the Sox where we need to be for the contention window.

I think the Sox record would be vastly improved had they had run production of the type Soto provides from the left side. There is a very slim chance it happens but it's not impossible. Let us have our fun speculating about it. Heck we have no idea how any team and even how the Sox value Eloy right now. He can still become a great hitter if he can ever stay on the field and he is cost controlled with an option through 2026. You'd have to think Eloy still might draw some interest from the Nats.

One thing we know for sure is that the Sox won't be taking on Strasburg or Corbin's contracts and I'm doubtful any other team does also.

Thing is that it makes no sense to give up all that talent just for 2.5 years of Soto’s services. No smart team is going to decimate their system for 2.5 years of him. They will sign him to an extension and have a generational talent like him in the middle of the lineup for the next 10+ years minimum. The Sox just do not operate like that.

[southsider2k5]

Just now, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Thing is that it makes no sense to give up all that talent just for 2.5 years of Soto’s services. No smart team is going to decimate their system for 2.5 years of him. They will sign him to an extension and have a generational talent like him in the middle of the lineup for the next 10+ years minimum. The Sox just do not operate like that.

Ask yourself how long the Sox window is open.  Soto matches up EXACTLY with about how long the Sox have to win a World Series before big changes will happen.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said:

People need to realize it's not just prospects it's committing $500M.

 

Not really. Theoretically any team can trade for Soto given the right package. That doesn't mean you have to sign him to a long term contract. He's going to Free Agency no matter what.

The team trading for him has to give up whoever they give up and pay him whatever he gets in his arbitration years which is likely to be in the $60M  range. Then it's bye bye Soto and if the team that trades for him ends up sucking they can also trade him mid season of his final year before FA.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Ask yourself how long the Sox window is open.  Soto matches up EXACTLY with about how long the Sox have to win a World Series before big changes will happen.

2 and a half years is a pretty decent chunk of time. But if the Sox were to trade for him and not extend him, they would pretty have to accept the fact that they would be really bad for a long time after he leaves because they gave up so much young talent to get him in the first place.

[southsider2k5]

Just now, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

2 and a half years is a pretty decent chunk of time. But if the Sox were to trade for him and not extend him, they would pretty have to accept the fact that they would be really bad for a long time after he leaves because they gave up so much young talent to get him in the first place.

The question is do you want to go from competitive to mediocre, or do you want to push your chips in while you are competitive to go for their chance to win it all.

[bmags]

When the sox traded Sale the top farm systems in baseball were Dodgers ,Boston, Cubs, Astros, Braves, Nationals, Pirates. Yankees

In other words, the top farms in baseball belonged to the best, most competitive teams in baseball. It was an incredible time to sell.

This year, the top farms in baseball are:

1) Seattle
2) Rays
3) Pirates
4) Orioles
5) Royals
6) Tigers
7) Reds
8- Dodgers
9) Rangers
10) Diamondbacks

The difference? Seattle, Rays,

Dodgers are there. Dodgers are the big threat because they would get soto just because they can. And they can, there are contracts which can roll off. But their best prospects are again catchers, and they just sent out a top catcher last year for Turner/Scherzer.

Seattle can. Marte/Kirby sends a top position player and top Pitcher. They are in a competitive window now. I think it's a real threat there. That is the best comparison to Moncada/Kopech. If I'm the nats I don't particulalry want a pitcher that's already up, but it is a legitimately great package.

The Rays can, and they might because they would value the 2.5 years. Josh Lowe/Baz gives + one of their thousand good prospects gives two mlb ready players and more depth. I don't know if they will, but rays could easily get this.

SO those are the big threats. But after that, hard to see pirates/orioles/royals/tigers/reds/rangers/diamondbacks jumping in. 

Hard to see why the dodgers wouldn't do this. After all, they aren't far removed from trading for Trayce Thompson and folks they've had a Jake Lamb/TT outfield. Bellinger has not bounced back. They have a ton of payroll they could shed that is older next year.

but their prospect package would be this: Diego Cartaya (awesome, but a young catcher already seeing back problems). Bobby Miller (#38 prospect, and I think he's gonna be pretty sweet), Miguel Vargas (legit awesome). I don't see Cartaya as a fit, but Miller/Vargas is a great package but if we used some pieces we could beat.

Seattle I just have a hard time believing would go for it but I hope they do.

The Yankees will wave Jasson Dominguez and ask you to thank them for offering him. The Padres I could see rizzo liking less than their rankings. 

Basically you'd need a 3-way deal, there is no way around that. It would need to have SOME pieces, and maybe Crochet/Eloy are what you need there. But you HAVE to freakin try because guess what? I just mentioned teams you are theoretically trying to beat for a world series.

 

[bmags]

Do we think sox would offer Soto a qualifying offer in 2025?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

5 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

Thing is that it makes no sense to give up all that talent just for 2.5 years of Soto’s services. No smart team is going to decimate their system for 2.5 years of him. They will sign him to an extension and have a generational talent like him in the middle of the lineup for the next 10+ years minimum. The Sox just do not operate like that.

It shouldn't be devastating  though especially if it wins you a World Series  in 2022,23 and 24. Odds are he will not get an extension from any team. Boras takes the majority of his high profile talent to Free Agency most of the time.  Odds also are that if the Sox are going to win a World Series it'll be in the next2 or 3 years. Then the Sox go back to who they have always been, a non contender in a weak division with new ownership most likely ,which clouds the future even more.

All these reports and tweets about what the Nats want and what they will get are 2 very distinct things.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

I would think Brash would have to be included from the Mariners side.

[caulfield12]

Just throw Kelenic in while they’re at it…

Marte Kelenic and Brash plus one more piece equivalent to Basabe.

Could even make it Taylor Trammell.

 

Not seeing any way they part with Kirby.

Edited July 20, 2022 by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

40 minutes ago, Quin said:

The Machado thread was like 300, so all things considered, we've learned.

That was off season too so we had more time to run up the count. Then we had months now we have had literally less than a week since Soto turned down the Nats offer which then led to a lot more speculation he'd be traded.

Edited July 20, 2022 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[bmags]

13 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I would think Brash would have to be included from the Mariners side.

yeah I was following template but they can definitely still out do most every other org with Marte + Brash

[bmags]

"why are people talking about the biggest story in baseball"

[caulfield12]

Brash (and especially Crochet) are too volatile…most still believe Brash ends up as a reliever.  

“Control and Command: Good command for a pitcher of his size and effort, though over extended outings it could become a concern thanks to violent delivery. Good relief profile. Control: 50 | Command: 50

Overall: Brash has an outside shot at starting at the big league level, though that will be incumbent on the development of his breaking ball and improving his delivery and body can hold up over the duration of long outings. As it stands, he projects to be a plus fastball guy with a good supporting off-speed pitch and a get-me-over breaking ball.

OFP: 35
Role: 30 - Up/Down Emergency Depth
Risk: High”

 

https://www.prospectslive.com/scoutingreports/matt-brash

[caulfield12]

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/which-teams-have-the-prospect-talent-to-acquire-juan-soto/

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Brash (and especially Crochet) are too volatile…most still believe Brash ends up as a reliever.  

“Control and Command: Good command for a pitcher of his size and effort, though over extended outings it could become a concern thanks to violent delivery. Good relief profile. Control: 50 | Command: 50

Overall: Brash has an outside shot at starting at the big league level, though that will be incumbent on the development of his breaking ball and improving his delivery and body can hold up over the duration of long outings. As it stands, he projects to be a plus fastball guy with a good supporting off-speed pitch and a get-me-over breaking ball.

OFP: 35
Role: 30 - Up/Down Emergency Depth
Risk: High”

 

https://www.prospectslive.com/scoutingreports/matt-brash

The Marlins already moved him to the bullpen.

[caulfield12]

14 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

The Marlins already moved him to the bullpen.

6. Mariners

The surging Mariners have some of the best young talent in the majors and could use it to headline a package to acquire Soto if they decided to be aggressive. OF Julio Rodriguez isn’t going anywhere, but one of RHPs George Kirby or Logan Gilbert would likely have to be included in any package for Soto. From there, the Mariners could pull together multiple combinations from a farm system that includes talented young shortstops Noelvi Marte and Edwin Arroyo and a wealth of young righthanders including Matt Brash, Emerson Hancock, Taylor Dollard and Bryce Miller. A package of prospects alone wouldn’t be enough to grab Soto, but in the unlikely event the Mariners decided to include one of their young starters, they could do it.

 

Personally, I don’t see the Mariners parting with Kirby or Gilbert.

That said, if you think of all the franchises most desperate to get to the World Series, the Mariners would be right up there in the Top 3 or so.  There’s so much hype around Julio Rodriguez and the team in general at the moment, they’re even opening up the RF upper deck for the first time in ages against the Astros this weekend.

The Guardians would be up there as well because of their farm system depth.  Both the AL Central leaders would fit if you dream big.  Perhaps the Twins also believe that Carlos Correa would stick around for another season at least were they to make such a move to add Soto to Buxton/Correa…?  With Royce Lewis out with his second major knee injury, and not wanting to shift Polanco back to SS next year, it starts to make more sense.

Mets, Padres, Dodgers and Yankees still have to be the favorites should they choose to pursue it.

Edited July 20, 2022 by caulfield12

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, vilehoopster said:

This is 100% correct. Like talking about getting Machado and Harper, they were never, Soto is never going to happen. 

Machado and Harper talk was huge contracts in the off season. Soto is not a huge contract. He'll be paid big money for 2.5 years because of arbitration but we're

not talking $300M  to get him. We're talking trading baseball players for him. 95% chance you're right, it doesn't happen, but Sox make more trades than they do signing people to $300M contracts so there's a better chance.

[Sleepy Harold]

 

Take this with an EXTREME grain of salt, but....

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

27 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Brash (and especially Crochet) are too volatile…most still believe Brash ends up as a reliever.  

“Control and Command: Good command for a pitcher of his size and effort, though over extended outings it could become a concern thanks to violent delivery. Good relief profile. Control: 50 | Command: 50

Overall: Brash has an outside shot at starting at the big league level, though that will be incumbent on the development of his breaking ball and improving his delivery and body can hold up over the duration of long outings. As it stands, he projects to be a plus fastball guy with a good supporting off-speed pitch and a get-me-over breaking ball.

OFP: 35
Role: 30 - Up/Down Emergency Depth
Risk: High”

 

https://www.prospectslive.com/scoutingreports/matt-brash

That prospect report is from 2020, before Brash really even pitcher professionally (not counting the 5 innings of his draft year). 

Most don't "still believe" he ends up as a reliever.