Harry Chappas Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, hi8is said: Thank God you aren’t in the drivers seat. ? Which of those four guys that I posted about can be counted on? Robert is injured at least three times a year but he has great value and will get Soto. He just missed the two biggest series of the year for light headedness. Certain guys are injured often. He, Moncada, and Jimenez are these type of players. Kopech is going to be shut down soon and seems to have already hit his ceiling...when does he hit his ceiling next year? He is also often injured as well at least now it is his legs and not his arm. He also took a year off to find himself. Should he produce at his hopeful level he will not be resigned. Nobody knows what Colas is. Crochet is hopefully a lefthanded bullpen arm. Nobody knows what Sosa is. I personally wouldn't make the trade but if the Sox wanted him that to me is the package they have to put together and has the least long term impact on the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Harry Chappas said: Which of those four guys that I posted about can be counted on? Robert is injured at least three times a year but he has great value and will get Soto. He just missed the two biggest series of the year for light headedness. Certain guys are injured often. He, Moncada, and Jimenez are these type of players. Kopech is going to be shut down soon and seems to have already hit his ceiling...when does he hit his ceiling next year? He is also often injured as well at least now it is his legs and not his arm. He also took a year off to find himself. Should he produce at his hopeful level he will not be resigned. Nobody knows what Colas is. Crochet is hopefully a lefthanded bullpen arm. Nobody knows what Sosa is. I personally wouldn't make the trade but if the Sox wanted him that to me is the package they have to put together and has the least long term impact on the organization. You don’t trade 6.5 years of Luis Robert plus plus plus… for 2.5 years of Soto. Period. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Maybe worth it's own thread IDK. Bowden piece. https://theathletic.com/3448509/2022/07/26/mlb-trade-deadline-teams-targets/?source=user_shared_article Sharing from another thread, but Bowden says Sox are talking to the Nats about Soto Quote Chicago White Sox (48-48, .500) — The White Sox are having discussions with teams about many of the available premium players, from Soto to Castillo, and they’re also interested in free-agent outfielder Michael Conforto. They are 4 games back in the division and all-in on trying to return to the playoffs. They are also targeting bullpen help and upgrades at second base and in right field. Edited July 26, 2022 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Kopech and Vaughn as the main pieces for Soto, sign me up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrankinSox Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Robert, Colas, Kopech, Crochet and the guy the brought up for a cup of coffee whose name escapes me. I love Robert but he is too injury prone. Take on Corbin and keep Crochet or Kopech This is KW testing the waters for our reaction. Not falling for that, Kenny! Get back to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Kopech and Vaughn as the main pieces for Soto, sign me up I was thinking along the same lines. Would probably have to be Kopech, Vaughn, Montgomery+ though, right? The potential inclusion of Corbin is what messes things up, as I don't see any way Reinsdorf takes on both salaries (even if the Nats kick in cash) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, fathom said: Kopech and Vaughn as the main pieces for Soto, sign me up I'd think there have to be teams out there still high on Eloy. The Nats being one of them would start to clear up some of the roster construction issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Vaughn + Eloy for Soto and then the Sox can extend Abreu through the end of his career which I'm sure they'd love to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Just now, Jose Abreu said: I was thinking along the same lines. Would probably have to be Kopech, Vaughn, Montgomery+ though, right? The potential inclusion of Corbin is what messes things up, as I don't see any way Reinsdorf takes on both salaries (even if the Nats kick in cash) Agreed on all counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 These conversations about Soto will lead to a reunion with cesar hernandez ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Sharing from another thread, but Bowden says Sox are talking to the Nats about Soto Is this one of those “a seat at the table” conversations ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bad Hombre said: Is this one of those “a seat at the table” conversations ? @HahnsKiddieTable Edited July 26, 2022 by South Side Hit Men 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I'm sorry but I think Michael Kopech is not a piece you can include in this trade. He already has immense trade value this year, but given his trajectory could very easily be one of the most valuable players in the MLB by next season. I'm glad this thread pumped the brakes on Dylan Cease (I'd only consider trading him straight up for Soto and even then it would be long consideration), but Kopech is not too far behind Cease in that regard. It may be what it takes to actually get a deal done, but IMO including Kopech in any deal with Vaughn, Montgomery and Colas (+?) is a massive overpay. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, South Sider said: I'm sorry but I think Michael Kopech is not a piece you can include in this trade. He already has immense trade value this year, but given his trajectory could very easily be one of the most valuable players in the MLB by next season. I'm glad this thread pumped the brakes on Dylan Cease (I'd only consider trading him straight up for Soto and even then it would be long consideration), but Kopech is not too far behind Cease in that regard. It may be what it takes to actually get a deal done, but IMO including Kopech in any deal with Vaughn, Montgomery and Colas (+?) is a massive overpay. Reason I’m including Kopech is he’s already arb eligible next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, fathom said: Reason I’m including Kopech is he’s already arb eligible next year. And a good reason for why the Nats wouldn't want him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, chw42 said: And a good reason for why the Nats wouldn't want him. Oh…. They would want him. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Jim Bowden finally became reliable after confirming what I wanted to hear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 Rosenthal said Nats unlikely to muddle return by shedding salary, they already have low payroll slated for next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 2 hours ago, fathom said: Kopech and Vaughn as the main pieces for Soto, sign me up How do you replace Kopech going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanSoxFan Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: How do you replace Kopech going forward? free agency would be the obvious answer, but realistically that means shedding some payroll. Of course Keuchel will be off the books as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 1 minute ago, GermanSoxFan said: free agency would be the obvious answer, but realistically that means shedding some payroll. Of course Keuchel will be off the books as well. We already have to add one starter next off-season unless we plan to bring back and rely on a 37 year old Cueto. Honestly, I don’t think Kopech is movable given the lack of pitching depth in the upper minors. Also, I think people are letting a mediocre 2022 season driven by him getting stretched out get in the way of a proper evaluation. Dude is likely to take a massive step forward next year and I fully expect him to be our #2 starter behind Cease for the next three years. I get how good Soto is, but creating a major hole in the rotation is going to negate much of the value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 You can't trade Kopech and have Cease as your only reliable SP in 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 34 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: You can't trade Kopech and have Cease as your only reliable SP in 2023 If the name on the other side of that ledger, says 'Juan Soto', you 100% can, and should. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 I would trade Robert if it meant getting Juan Soto. There is nothing in this organization I wouldn’t move to get him. The only issue is they would never pay the man what it would take to keep him beyond two years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 3 hours ago, fathom said: Kopech and Vaughn as the main pieces for Soto, sign me up Yeah I don’t think there is any chance the Sox make a move for anyone significant this trade deadline. If they do I’d be shocked. Not getting any sort of hopes up though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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