Bad Hombre Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 “The money will be spent!”…..on our talented, yet unproven prospects who will then take the money and mail it in! Only if Big Brain Hahn had any foresight ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 7:32 PM, Harry Chappas said: Rather fitting this season that Anderson is an all star and Cease and Abreu are not. Expand Style over substance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 7:36 PM, wegner said: Every year, there are teams that just disappoint. This White Sox team just seems to be a .500 club at best this season. They could turn it around but have really given no indication that they will. They play a nice series against the Giants then come home and play like crap. They come back multiple times against Minnesota to take that game 3 and then get no momentum whatsoever from what should have been a great win. They are just so frustrating. Expand I don't even know if this team is a .500 club. They didn't play all that well against the Giants. San Francisco gave them those three games. 3-6 so far during this run against division opponents. Everybody is talking about an upcoming weak schedule. Those teams are no doubt looking forward to playing the White Sox. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 7:38 PM, Jack Parkman said: This is who they are. Outside of a hot first half against a weak schedule, and a 2020 season that saw them playing the ALC and NLC only for 60 games, they've been a .500 team more or less. Expand The 2022 White Sox remain behind the pace of the intentionally tanking 2019 White Sox. Ricky Renteria 2020 35-25 .583 > Tony La Russa 2021 93-69 .574 Ricky Renteria 2019 42-44 .488 > Tony La Russa 2022 41-45 .477 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 7:56 PM, Bad Hombre said: “The money will be spent!”…..on our talented, yet unproven prospects who will then take the money and mail it in! Only if Big Brain Hahn had any foresight ? Expand This model hasn't been copied around the league because it makes no sense to fill out the payroll with unproven players when they could be on rookie deals while paying for veteran production. If anything, the Soxshould operate like the Rays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 R.I.P 2022 WHITESOX.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:02 PM, Chick Mercedes said: This model hasn't been copied around the league because it makes no sense to fill out the payroll with unproven players when they could be on rookie deals while paying for veteran production. If anything, the Soxshould operate like the Rays. Expand At the time, signing Moncada, Jimenez, and Robert to those long deals was awesome. Now, in hindsight, its kind of like.... maybe we should have made sure they can play before we throw all this money at them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:08 PM, T R U said: At the time, signing Moncada, Jimenez, and Robert to those long deals was awesome. Now, in hindsight, its kind of like.... maybe we should have made sure they can play before we throw all this money at them. Expand It has worked out extremely well for the Guardians ever since the late 90's. They were the organization the Sox attempted to copy in terms of a blueprint for sustained success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:08 PM, T R U said: At the time, signing Moncada, Jimenez, and Robert to those long deals was awesome. Now, in hindsight, its kind of like.... maybe we should have made sure they can play before we throw all this money at them. Expand It made no sense back then and makes even less sense today. Hahn was desperate to alleviate the embarrassment of the Machado fiasco and this was his solution. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) On 7/12/2022 at 8:02 PM, Chick Mercedes said: This model hasn't been copied around the league because it makes no sense to fill out the payroll with unproven players when they could be on rookie deals while paying for veteran production. If anything, the Soxshould operate like the Rays. Expand Franco got a huge payday/extension. You have to pay up for star quality young position player talent to convince the fanbase you're not going to just dump them at the earliest opportunity. Otoh, distinguishing that Austin Meadows is not a star and can be leveraged for more cost-efficient youngsters. (They tried to do the exact same thing with Snell and Glasnow until he got hurt.) Edited July 12, 2022 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:11 PM, Bad Hombre said: It made no sense back then and makes even less sense today. Hahn was desperate to alleviate the embarrassment of the Machado fiasco and this was his solution. Expand It made all the sense in the world if they were to live up to their billing...otherwise, you simply will end up with just a two year window like the Royals as your talent all leaves in FA. If there's one thing we DO know, it's that spending for other teams' free agents at top of market rates is not the way to go since they consistently fail to execute there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:11 PM, Bad Hombre said: It made no sense back then and makes even less sense today. Hahn was desperate to alleviate the embarrassment of the Machado fiasco and this was his solution. Expand Yeah, this year alone Moncada, Eloy, and Robert count 27 million against the payroll but could have been around 6-7 million if not extended. I am not going to try and shit on this now though, I was a fan of the extensions at the time. Just hasn't worked out so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 (edited) On 7/12/2022 at 8:20 PM, T R U said: Yeah, this year alone Moncada, Eloy, and Robert count 27 million against the payroll but could have been around 6-7 million if not extended. I am not going to try and shit on this now though, I was a fan of the extensions at the time. Just hasn't worked out so far. Expand Moncada makes 17 million in '23, 25 million in '24 Edited July 12, 2022 by Chick Mercedes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxwin Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 7:34 PM, T R U said: This is exactly why I don't think you will see any changes made. They aren't out of it, and the schedule is hardly daunting coming out of the break. Expand Valid points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 7:53 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Unfortunately the guy I think the Sox can really use is Ian Happ. He play's every day, switch hitter decent OF though he rarely plays RF. Hits both RHP and LHP. Unfortunately he's at peak value and the Cubs signed through next year. Will be interesting to see who the Cubs get for him and who he goes to. Yanks ? Padres ? Would the Cubs take Eloy back for him ? Expand Unfortunately Eloy currently has effectively zero trade value, particularly to a rebuilding team. He’s due a decent amount of money (like $30 million guaranteed) the next 2.5 seasons but has not performed at all and has multiple injuries on his record. While he does have option years, they’re options for $15 and $18 million, so even if he turns into an average OF, keeping him is expensive. He’s another guy you just have to hold onto and hope he breaks out: rebuilding teams like the Cubs go for guys like Eloy when they’re put on waivers in a couple years. I’m sure you could get someone to take a chance on him, but not with anything of value coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hombre Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:18 PM, caulfield12 said: It made all the sense in the world if they were to live up to their billing...otherwise, you simply will end up with just a two year window like the Royals as your talent all leaves in FA. If there's one thing we DO know, it's that spending for other teams' free agents at top of market rates is not the way to go since they consistently fail to execute there. Expand That’s a big “if.” So big that it’s usually why we don’t see these types of extensions. The Padres & Phillies are pretty happy with the Machado & Harper contracts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:26 PM, Chick Mercedes said: Moncada makes 17 million in '23, 25 million in '24 Expand Albatross. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:20 PM, T R U said: Yeah, this year alone Moncada, Eloy, and Robert count 27 million against the payroll but could have been around 6-7 million if not extended. I am not going to try and shit on this now though, I was a fan of the extensions at the time. Just hasn't worked out so far. Expand Would Hahn have tried to extend Ron Kittle or Gordan Beckham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:55 PM, South Side Fireworks Man said: Albatross. Expand What flavor is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:58 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Would Hahn have tried to extend Ron Kittle or Gordan Beckham Expand Honestly yes, I would imagine he would have extended Beckham after his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 8:37 PM, Balta1701 said: Unfortunately Eloy currently has effectively zero trade value, particularly to a rebuilding team. He’s due a decent amount of money (like $30 million guaranteed) the next 2.5 seasons but has not performed at all and has multiple injuries on his record. While he does have option years, they’re options for $15 and $18 million, so even if he turns into an average OF, keeping him is expensive. He’s another guy you just have to hold onto and hope he breaks out: rebuilding teams like the Cubs go for guys like Eloy when they’re put on waivers in a couple years. I’m sure you could get someone to take a chance on him, but not with anything of value coming back. Expand I said it rather tongue in cheek plus you never know ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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South Side Fireworks Man Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 9:00 PM, wegner said: What flavor is it? Expand It’s a bird, isn’t it? It’s a bloody sea bird. It’s not any bloody flavor! Albatross! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 people who didnt watch the game will think bieber was great he was okay - the white sox are just dog shit. He threw like 11 90 mph fastballs down the middle and nothing to show for it... also hung some breaking pitches with no real penalty. This team hasnt won shit and has no clue how to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 On 7/12/2022 at 9:32 PM, harkness99 said: people who didnt watch the game will think bieber was great he was okay - the white sox are just dog shit. He threw like 11 90 mph fastballs down the middle and nothing to show for it... also hung some breaking pitches with no real penalty. This team hasnt won shit and has no clue how to. Expand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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