Texsox Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 As horrible as the roster is that Hahn put together, so many people actually thought this team would win their division. Many fans and insiders thought they could win a playoff series. People are actually disappointed this incredibly flawed roster isn't winning. Just looking at half the mistakes Hahn made should have had everyone predicting third place. We all could see they had no chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, Texsox said: As horrible as the roster is that Hahn put together, so many people actually thought this team would win their division. Many fans and insiders thought they could win a playoff series. People are actually disappointed this incredibly flawed roster isn't winning. Just looking at half the mistakes Hahn made should have had everyone predicting third place. We all could see they had no chance. As weak as the AL Central has been they still should have won their division. This is where the “how many guys are dramatically worse than they should have been” comes in. Some of these flops were easily foreseen (Kelly, seriously Wtf are you signing an already injured pitcher for), some of them are bad timing or bad luck (Grandal maybe) but some of this shit is on the coaching staff. Robert and Moncada’s constant injuries. Guys going the other way rather than pulling the ball. Moncada’s sudden shift into a bloop single hitter. The 1-2 count intentional walks. The week where the whole infield forgot how to play defense and still no one knows what the hell was going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: As weak as the AL Central has been they still should have won their division. This is where the “how many guys are dramatically worse than they should have been” comes in. Some of these flops were easily foreseen (Kelly, seriously Wtf are you signing an already injured pitcher for), some of them are bad timing or bad luck (Grandal maybe) but some of this shit is on the coaching staff. Robert and Moncada’s constant injuries. Guys going the other way rather than pulling the ball. Moncada’s sudden shift into a bloop single hitter. The 1-2 count intentional walks. The week where the whole infield forgot how to play defense and still no one knows what the hell was going on. I agree. Which leads to this paradox. One of the worst GMs in baseball, who should be fired, put together a horrible roster that should be winning the division. Is he really as bad as we're saying here, or did Hahn hand a decent roster to a horrible manager who then didn't deal with unforseen injuries and rapid declining players? Personally, I'm struggling to reconcile he sucks with we should be winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Texsox said: I agree. Which leads to this paradox. One of the worst GMs in baseball, who should be fired, put together a horrible roster that should be winning the division. Is he really as bad as we're saying here, or did Hahn hand a decent roster to a horrible manager who then didn't deal with unforseen injuries and rapid declining players? Personally, I'm struggling to reconcile he sucks with we should be winning. Difference between the 99 win team they should have been at this point in a rebuild and the 89 win team they are on paper? Rick Hahn. Difference between the 89 win team they are on paper and the 79 win pace they’re on right now? Coaching staff. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: Difference between the 99 win team they should have been at this point in a rebuild and the 89 win team they are on paper? Rick Hahn. Difference between the 89 win team they are on paper and the 79 win pace they’re on right now? Coaching staff. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Will Hahn continue ducking the lapdog media for the rest of the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I wonder if Hahn still thinks he has a championship roster. You would think a championship roster could at least be .500 with an ALC schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tony Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: One of the many things I don’t understand about Jerry. I understand loyalty, but that’s Hahn spending like 30 million on a combined zero fWAR for the season, in the middle of the “window” How can you be ok spending those resources that resulted in…this. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Hahn built a line-up in large part based on their potential power...the ability to blow teams out with HRs. Then the league decides that there are too many HR so baseballs all of a sudden travel like they are filled with sawdust. OK, a few guys have bad years, but to me it looked like a lot of balls that were hit to the warning track this year would have been HR in past years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 (edited) I don't think there's a lineup in MLB that was hurt more by the new baseballs than the Sox. Edited August 29, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Tony said: One of the many things I don’t understand about Jerry. I understand loyalty, but that’s Hahn spending like 30 million on a combined zero fWAR for the season, in the middle of the “window” How can you be ok spending those resources that resulted in…this. Hahn has wasted millions and millions of JR's money on stiff's, has been's, retreads and injury prone guys. Starting with Jeff Keppinger...10 years worth and still he has a job. I can only think of two reasons...he's loyal and/or the White Sox are making so much money through the myriad domestic and international avenues (like all of MLB) that JR really doesn't seem to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, tray said: Hahn built a line-up in large part based on their potential power...the ability to blow teams out with HRs. Then the league decides that there are too many HR so baseballs all of a sudden travel like they are filled with sawdust. OK, a few guys have bad years, but to me it looked like a lot of balls that were hit to the warning track this year would have been HR in past years. Unfortunately the sawdust balls only seem to be impacting White Sox hitters, who rank 26th across The MLB in that statistic despite playing at Comiskey Park II. White Sox pitchers have given up 135 HRs, also the league average. 17 teams haven allowed less home runs this season. The home run differential of minus 29 coincides with the run differential of minus 42. Rick Hahn's personal batting coach selection of Frank Menechino, plays a role, if not a big role in this unfortunate set of circumstances. Tony La Russa also agrees with the small ball approach, but Hahn brought him in October of 2019 and is responsible for this approach to hitting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: Unfortunately the sawdust balls only seem to be impacting White Sox hitters, who rank 26th across The MLB in that statistic despite playing at Comiskey Park II. White Sox pitchers have given up 135 HRs, also the league average. 17 teams haven allowed less home runs this season. The home run differential of minus 29 coincides with the run differential of minus 42. Rick Hahn's personal batting coach selection of Frank Menechino, plays a role, if not a big role in this unfortunate set of circumstances. Tony La Russa also agrees with the small ball approach, but Hahn brought him in October of 2019 and is responsible for this approach to hitting. It's really interesting as well since TLR had little tolerance for hitting coaches that can't do the job. He had six of them just in his time in Oakland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 11 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: It's really interesting as well since TLR had little tolerance for hitting coaches that can't do the job. He had six of them just in his time in Oakland. He thinks Menechino is doing a good job they hit for average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Harry Chappas said: He thinks Menechino is doing a good job they hit for average. Dirty Frank is doing what he was hired to do. Hahn foresaw the league trying to move away from 3 outcome baseball. He wanted balls in play, more swinging, more line drives. But he failed to realize that his slow, fly ball hitting, greedy roster would struggle at executing his plan. He has to go. He received the dream scenario of failing miserably and getting the opportunity to do a complete rebuild. Then received a more than fair budget to support his project the past two seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 On 8/28/2022 at 6:51 PM, tray said: Hahn built a line-up in large part based on their potential power...the ability to blow teams out with HRs. Then the league decides that there are too many HR so baseballs all of a sudden travel like they are filled with sawdust. OK, a few guys have bad years, but to me it looked like a lot of balls that were hit to the warning track this year would have been HR in past years. Sounds like a preview of Hahn's offseason press conference before they proceed to add nobody on a contract with a total value of more than $20 million going forward into 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 Idk where to put this: Only one goes this winter. Who do you choose? Hahn TLR Jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Idk where to put this: Only one goes this winter. Who do you choose? Hahn TLR Jerry If i had to choose? TLR. At least give the GM autonomy to succeed or screw it up with full accountability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 17 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: Idk where to put this: Only one goes this winter. Who do you choose? Hahn TLR Jerry Jerry, because a new owner will eventually clean the other ones out. Frankly I have no idea how the other 2 would stay employed for more than 24 hours without Jerry. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 59 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Jerry, because a new owner will eventually clean the other ones out. Frankly I have no idea how the other 2 would stay employed for more than 24 hours without Jerry. I said Jerry for the same reason. Jerry sells and the other two are gone virtually immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 30, 2022 Share Posted August 30, 2022 (edited) Of course it's the Sox that make these type of deals and lose on most of them. All were no-brainers when signed, now at best they look like market value, and at worst an albatross. It's possible that zero of the team options for Moncada, Robert and Jimenez are exercised. Robert and Jimenez still have time. A very White Sox happening. Edited August 30, 2022 by Jack Parkman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 ? just came across this tweet 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, HahnsKiddieTable said: ? just came across this tweet Just one of the worst off-seasons ever. It’s almost impressively bad when you consider we’re in the middle of our contention window and Rick didn’t address any of our major needs with impact talent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Rick Hahn is the single worst sports executive in history, hands down, no questions asked. Guy should be walked naked thru the streets of Chicago to the shame bell … 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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