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Sarava Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Rick is talking this off-season about needing left handed power. It's interesting that he finally realized this after 90% of the Sox fanbase, but whatever. Let's see what he does this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 If only fans could fire the owner… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 How did we go from a young cheap core to a team of bad contracts.. very disappointed with some of these players 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: If only fans could fire the owner… Well, some people do make a lot of money on OnlyFans... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 9 minutes ago, bryank1202 said: How did we go from a young cheap core to a team of bad contracts.. very disappointed with some of these players It's mostly because Moncada and Eloy contracts are no longer good values since both aren't producing or have been too injured. Add in Grandal falling off a cliff and you have a bunch of guys on overvalued contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Fire Hahn. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 James Click is a 30 fWAR per season upgrade over Rick Hahn. Do. It. Now. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Rick is going to get to attempt a bandaid for '23 AND get to tear it down again in '24. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: James Click is a 30 fWAR per season upgrade over Rick Hahn. Do. It. Now. I would buy a 60 game package if this happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: James Click is a 30 fWAR per season upgrade over Rick Hahn. Do. It. Now. Could Click convince JR to spend money and invest where the org needs it most? Would JR ever even hire someone that would challenge his ass-backwards way of doing things? Me thinks not, for either one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Could Click convince JR to spend money and invest where the org needs it most? Would JR ever even hire someone that would challenge his ass-backwards way of doing things? Me thinks not, for either one. The Astros had a lower payroll than the white Sox this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 1 minute ago, bmags said: The Astros had a lower payroll than the white Sox this year. I'd be curious to know where Houston spends money in INT, analytics, and in drafting & developing vs the White Sox. Staff included. Smarter player payroll allocation is only one part of the story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Let’s neither over nor undersell James Click. Click genuinely did not build that. Only about 1/3 of the players on that roster were acquired by him. Furthermore, the development programs the Astros had going that helped their pitchers and hitters clearly existed before he was there. He did build a stellar, championship bullpen. That was nearly all him. He also didn’t trade away anyone who since became a star - that could have been a risk with guys like Peña, Franber Valdez, etc. He also didn’t sign major busts. The guys he did bring in or sign included guys like Neris and Verlander. Better than Hahn? You betcha, but a trained octopus could meet that standard. Best in baseball? I don’t think he got a shot to prove that true or false. He was fine, but in an already established excellent circumstance. He couldn’t have done better, he could have done worse and didn’t, but it’s possible a lot of guys could have matched his performance given what he walked into. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Where was click before Houston…anywhere good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Just now, bmags said: Where was click before Houston…anywhere good? Tampa Bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Oh interesting so he worked his way up to being an executive in one of the most successful orgs in the league before taking over a GM role and overseeing them make an ALCS, 2 WS births and a WS 5 years after their original? Let’s pump the brakes thinking he’s good. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, bmags said: Oh interesting so he worked his way up to being an executive in one of the most successful orgs in the league before taking over a GM role and overseeing them make an ALCS, 2 WS births and a WS 5 years after their original? Let’s pump the brakes thinking he’s good. So you believe he’s an instant 30 WAR upgrade on Rick Hahn. Wow. I’m convinced now, I’m surprised that’s such a clear and obvious conclusion and I apologize for missing it: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: So you believe he’s an instant 30 WAR upgrade on Rick Hahn. Wow. I’m convinced now, I’m surprised that’s such a clear and obvious conclusion and I apologize for missing it: Aww poor guy. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Do we know why he left? Just the Dusty Baker thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Imagine if Jerry was actually a good businessman and was willing to bring in a quality front office person whose previous organization just won the World Series at the expense of the incumbent who has proven to be incapable of being a top tier major league GM. But alas, Jerry will stick with the same insular leadership group who has consistently failed to build a best in class organization and hope that a new leader in the dugout will solve all our problems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 8:02 AM, Sarava said: Rick is talking this off-season about needing left handed power. It's interesting that he finally realized this after 90% of the Sox fanbase, but whatever. Let's see what he does this winter. Rick probably also gets his news off of Facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 6 hours ago, almagest said: Do we know why he left? Just the Dusty Baker thing? The owner did not want him back, it sure seems like there’s a personal issue somewhere in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 On 11/13/2022 at 12:12 PM, Tnetennba said: Could Click convince JR to spend money and invest where the org needs it most? Would JR ever even hire someone that would challenge his ass-backwards way of doing things? Me thinks not, for either one. Jerry has been the worst performing owner in baseball for 40 years with plenty of payroll ... he will get it right now because? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 This thread should never leave the top 5 topics. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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