SonofaRoache Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 3:40 PM, shago said: Jerry has been the worst performing owner in baseball and basketball for 40 years with plenty of payroll ... he will get it right now because? FIFY. His entire legacy is lucking into Jordan in basketball. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 37 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said: FIFY. His entire legacy is lucking into Jordan in basketball. The obnoxious thing was he and Krause couldn't wait for the Jordan era to end. They thought they were so smart, and were jealous the players and Phil were getting all the credit. I think it has since been beat by "the Process" but the 5 years after Jordan were at that point, the worst 5 year cumulative record in NBA history. Without MJ, JR is a total failure. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) Hahn is need desperate need of firing from his GM role. He can move somewhere else within the organization. I have no faith that he can ball on a budget. Edited November 17, 2022 by SonofaRoache Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The obnoxious thing was he and Krause couldn't wait for the Jordan era to end. They thought they were so smart, and were jealous the players and Phil were getting all the credit. I think it has since been beat by "the Process" but the 5 years after Jordan were at that point, the worst 5 year cumulative record in NBA history. Without MJ, JR is a total failure. JR might be a total failure as a owner but he has come out of it a billionaire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DashFan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 hours ago, WBWSF said: JR might be a total failure as a owner but he has come out of it a billionaire. Irrelevant. This is America, where rich people fail upward all the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 8 hours ago, DashFan said: Irrelevant. This is America, where rich people fail upward all the time. You don't give credit for getting rich by taking advantage of fans? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, Dick Allen said: The obnoxious thing was he and Krause couldn't wait for the Jordan era to end. They thought they were so smart, and were jealous the players and Phil were getting all the credit. I think it has since been beat by "the Process" but the 5 years after Jordan were at that point, the worst 5 year cumulative record in NBA history. Without MJ, JR is a total failure. Krause also built a solid young core by 2000 and then traded away Ron Artest, Brad Miller, Jamal Crawford and Elton Brand for aging vets and lotto picks. Edited November 18, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Wonder if there are plans for when/if Jerry is no longer working due to age and health issues. Maybe Kenny has a role in this as well. Could be imminent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, pcq said: Wonder if there are plans for when/if Jerry is no longer working due to age and health issues. Maybe Kenny has a role in this as well. Could be imminent. By all indications including from JR directly it sounds like the "plan" is that regardless of his personal situation the team will not be sold until after his death because of the tax implications. If JR is incapacitated my guess is that one of the minority owners will temporarily be put in charge. Kenny is rumored to be retiring after next season when his contract is up so again I'm guessing he will be out of the picture living in Arizona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Just now, Lip Man 1 said: By all indications including from JR directly it sounds like the "plan" is that regardless of his personal situation the team will not be sold until after his death because of the tax implications. If JR is incapacitated my guess is that one of the minority owners will temporarily be put in charge. Kenny is rumored to be retiring after next season when his contract is up so again I'm guessing he will be out of the picture living in Arizona. That one guy Howard seems to be a favored sidekick. Kenny could have a new role if Jer is in the memory care unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 So when is it safe to conclude that Hahn passed on making any moves from the teams clearing 40 man roster spaces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: So when is it safe to conclude that Hahn passed on making any moves from the teams clearing 40 man roster spaces? Like 7 years ago. He's never shown any eagerness to improve rosters on the margins like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 10 hours ago, pcq said: Wonder if there are plans for when/if Jerry is no longer working due to age and health issues. Maybe Kenny has a role in this as well. Could be imminent. Big Tribune expose on this years ago. If JR can’t do it, his co executor, most likely his son Michael takes over. He is the only owner with power, and that transfers to his heirs if he is incapacitated or dead. My dad is an attorney and he told me all this 40 years ago. Basically every other owner of the White Sox has no power, and never will. JR even has to approve if they want to sell their shares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 9 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Like 7 years ago. He's never shown any eagerness to improve rosters on the margins like that. I just wanted to give him a fair chance to do a waiver claim before I criticized him for being too lazy to scout any of the guys on waivers. Seriously, the White Sox's depth is awful. There's like 2 positions on their roster where if they claimed a replacement level player with a minor league option, the player would be unlikely to make the big leagues. They're keeping Ruiz with no ability to send him down because they have no bullpen depth. They signed Leury to a big money deal because they aren't creating decent backups on their own. They played two different 1b in the outfield because they didn't have enough outfielders, and both of them were straight up bad. At one point last year Dallas Keuchel was their #2 starter, and it was totally obvious that such a thing was likely to happen coming into the season. They gave away one game because they had roughly 2 available relievers. They were Elvis Andrus and Johnny Cueto away from being roughly a 75 win team. Grab someone. Anyone. Find a player or two who can rotate up and down to AAA so that if someone gets hurt you can put them on the IL and actually have a player available to step in. They don't even need to be good, literally a 0 WAR player could turn into an extra 2 wins on their record if they could pitch the 7th and 8th innings in a 4 run game without giving away the lead or catch the ball in LF as a defensive substitute on a day when someone needs a rest to keep their legs from being hurt. It's somehow completely unbelievable and yet totally expected that they let this roster deadline pass. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: I just wanted to give him a fair chance to do a waiver claim before I criticized him for being too lazy to scout any of the guys on waivers. Seriously, the White Sox's depth is awful. There's like 2 positions on their roster where if they claimed a replacement level player with a minor league option, the player would be unlikely to make the big leagues. They're keeping Ruiz with no ability to send him down because they have no bullpen depth. They signed Leury to a big money deal because they aren't creating decent backups on their own. They played two different 1b in the outfield because they didn't have enough outfielders, and both of them were straight up bad. At one point last year Dallas Keuchel was their #2 starter, and it was totally obvious that such a thing was likely to happen coming into the season. They gave away one game because they had roughly 2 available relievers. They were Elvis Andrus and Johnny Cueto away from being roughly a 75 win team. Grab someone. Anyone. Find a player or two who can rotate up and down to AAA so that if someone gets hurt you can put them on the IL and actually have a player available to step in. They don't even need to be good, literally a 0 WAR player could turn into an extra 2 wins on their record if they could pitch the 7th and 8th innings in a 4 run game without giving away the lead or catch the ball in LF as a defensive substitute on a day when someone needs a rest to keep their legs from being hurt. It's somehow completely unbelievable and yet totally expected that they let this roster deadline pass. He’s horrible at churning the talent at the bottom part of the 40-man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: He’s horrible at churning the talent at the bottom part of the 40-man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 The second guy is from the Boston Globe so would be in position to know this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 That is literally the perfect white Sox thanksgiving message. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 20 hours ago, Balta1701 said: The second guy is from the Boston Globe so would be in position to know this. It’s true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 He isn’t gonna be fired so can we just now free him instead, to do something. Anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 23 hours ago, Balta1701 said: The second guy is from the Boston Globe so would be in position to know this. What an L this trade turned out to be for both teams 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Anyone who gives Dombrowski "heat" for trading prospects to try to win the WS is unsmart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Has anyone ever emailed with Hahn? Does he respond? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, reiks12 said: What an L this trade turned out to be for both teams As much as Chris Sale has been injured, this is only true from a player standpoint. Boston has a banner from 2018, so I guess they accomplished what they wanted to accomplish. The Sox do not. In terms of a player for player standpoint, on a long term basis, I agree with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: He isn’t gonna be fired so can we just now free him instead, to do something. Anything An unbridled Rick Hahn with an open check book in FA? I don’t know if I would celebrate, recoil in fear, or just brace for the inevitable impact as it all came crashing down in a flaming heap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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