Chicago White Sox Posted April 29, 2023 Author Share Posted April 29, 2023 24 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Don't forget that, after a 73-win season, Hahn traded Marcus Semien, Chris Bassitt, et al for Michael Ynoa, 1 year of Jeff Samardzija and "the exclusive ability to talk to him (Samardzija) for 10 months." They also got the 26th pick of the 2016 draft. The problem is they took a relief prospect instead of a potential impact talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: They also got the 26th pick of the 2016 draft. The problem is they took a relief prospect instead of a potential impact talent. And a month after the draft, they decide it's time to rebuild. And several years later, Tampa picks that reliever off the scrap heap and he shuts out ...ahem...for 2 innings. Endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Cease would 100% return the most if we decided to move him and then Tim. It’s hard to say without knowing what Liam looks like when he comes back. What’s very clear to me is the Sox need to bold at the deadline. We 100% have to trade Tim & Liam now vs. waiting until the off-season. They are inherently more valuable to two playoff runs and the return will reflect that. I don’t think I’d have this front office trade Cease as his value should more or less carry into the off-season. Let the new front office (hopefully) do an auction process to a larger pool of potential buyers. And my god is thinking through this stuff in April super depressing. My oldest son was finally getting into the team/sport and he’s 100% going to turn into a Cubs fan now because they aren’t a complete bunch of losers from to bottom like this s%*# show of an organization. I truly hate Rick Hahn with all my heart. If Cease hits his stride like he did last season, I’d certainly try to move him at the deadline. -Youre asking for a big return, two top prospects and some filler or a true top 10 prospect ready to go, something like that. -A team giving up that much can think about 3 playoff runs instead of 2. -Although hopefully low, the risk of injury is always nonzero. -In the offseason, many teams have enough money to spend that they have several options. Deadline budgets can be tighter, making his arb status more important. Of course, it might turn out that no team meets that price either way, and you hold him until your price goes down or he gets hurt. It also could turn out that Cease is inconsistent the rest of the season and we are holding him until a new pitching coach is brought in next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 29, 2023 Share Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Cease would 100% return the most if we decided to move him and then Tim. It’s hard to say without knowing what Liam looks like when he comes back. What’s very clear to me is the Sox need to bold at the deadline. We 100% have to trade Tim & Liam now vs. waiting until the off-season. They are inherently more valuable to two playoff runs and the return will reflect that. I don’t think I’d have this front office trade Cease as his value should more or less carry into the off-season. Let the new front office (hopefully) do an auction process to a larger pool of potential buyers. And my god is thinking through this stuff in April super depressing. My oldest son was finally getting into the team/sport and he’s 100% going to turn into a Cubs fan now because they aren’t a complete bunch of losers from to bottom like this s%*# show of an organization. I truly hate Rick Hahn with all my heart. It's fucking awful to already have to think about. This team needs to go 74-61 the rest of the way just to finish .500. Possible? Sure. Probable? Fuuuuuuuuuck no. This team sucks. Edited April 29, 2023 by Bob Sacamano 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 10 hours ago, GreenSox said: Don't forget that, after a 73-win season, Hahn traded Marcus Semien, Chris Bassitt, et al for Michael Ynoa, 1 year of Jeff Samardzija and "the exclusive ability to talk to him (Samardzija) for 10 months." Yeah I forgot about that. That was awful. Marcus was good on sox and became elite. Samardzija was on a decline and bombed it on the sox. They only went after him because he had 1 good season on cubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, bryank1202 said: Yeah I forgot about that. That was awful. Marcus was good on sox and became elite. Samardzija was on a decline and bombed it on the sox. They only went after him because he had 1 good season on cubs. And ND football fame... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Lance what up?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 19 minutes ago, bryank1202 said: Yeah I forgot about that. That was awful. Marcus was good on sox and became elite. Samardzija was on a decline and bombed it on the sox. He actually had a career year right before the Sox traded for him. Trading for career years is not the way to do it. And of course, trading for 1 year rents, especially coming off of 73 wins; what was it meant to accomplish? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, pcq said: Lance what up?? He stopped throwing the curveball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 40 minutes ago, GreenSox said: He actually had a career year right before the Sox traded for him. Trading for career years is not the way to do it. And of course, trading for 1 year rents, especially coming off of 73 wins; what was it meant to accomplish? Ok had to check the stats and see it now but he was average to below avg prior. I still couldn't believe he made it to majors played little league against him was good but so were some of us. I really wanted him to do well but it was just another Hahn failure. I understand the motive for a good pitcher but he was a rental and we overpaid because sox couldn't properly scout and develop their own talent. 10 years later still can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Hahn is the 3rd longest tenured GM in baseball behind Cashman and Mike Rizzo. Kenny Williams been in charge since 2000 1 year less than Cashman. Yankees have been over .500 every year for 23 years since 1999. White Sox have been over .500 12 times since 2000 and under .500 8 of the last 12 seasons. Time for a change Edited April 30, 2023 by bryank1202 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounding_Third Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) Reinsdick right at home with this team. Reminds him of his beloved "Dem Bums" Brooklyn Dodgers. But they were never this bad. Sox on an historic modern ball pace. The last team to lose 120 games was '62 Mets. 2003 Tigers lost 119, the AL record. Don't know if that was in their "Championship Window" though! Edited April 30, 2023 by Rounding_Third 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, Vote4Pedro said: You know things have gone off the rails and Merkin has completely run out of fluff by late April and report a fact this grim. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJackMack Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 The first one that needs to go is Kenny Williams. He created this mess over a decade as the GM and ruined both the Sox and their farm system. What did Jerry do? Of course, promoted him! Kenny and Hahn need to both be shown the door; otherwise, you're trusting Kenny Williams to hire the next GM. This team will be a mess until it is sold to new ownership. Leadership and culture starts at the top, and this team is a reflection of Jerry, Kenny, and Hahn's lack of leadership and competence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) It appears the usual optimistic posters who defend the hell out of this team and players are still not posting here. Interesting. Edited April 30, 2023 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitchatRisktoZisk Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 We have an off day on Monday with the Twins coming in for 3 games. It is the perfect timing for Hahn to grow a set and resign. JR won't fire him, so have some pride and walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 (edited) I read something that since Rick took over as GM the White Sox have the 26th best record in baseball. And not that wins and losses in the lower levels is all that important in the grand scheme of things, but their affiliates have the worst record in baseball. All are a combined 657 games under .500. I think that hire was a miss. Edited April 30, 2023 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Hahn has to know he deserves to be fired, doesn't he? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 30, 2023 Author Share Posted April 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, wegner said: Hahn has to know he deserves to be fired, doesn't he? I’m sure he’s googled the number 3rd, 4th, & 5th place finishes during his tenure and said “oh my”. Unfortunately, results don’t really matter in this org. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 This game doesn’t change anything. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Extend Hahn 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Great. They just saved Hahns job for the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 Just now, FloydBannister1983 said: Great. They just saved Hahns job for the season. With this organization that is possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted April 30, 2023 Share Posted April 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: With this organization that is possible. Probable. This game was a disaster. He’s gonna ride this till at least October. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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