Fire Rick Hahn

[FloydBannister1983]

18 hours ago, T R U said:

There is a difference between sports hate and making it personal. I sports hate plenty of people, Rick Hahn, Tom Brady, the Buffalo Bills. That doesn't mean im throwing darts at his picture and wishing him harm.

Can we make a stipulation ongoing that when someone says “I hate this player/GM/manager” that they mean they hate the job they’ve done and don’t hate them personally like you’d hate someone who stole your wife.

Even if the guy does hate said sportsperson personally who cares?

[Kyyle23]

On 5/20/2023 at 4:07 PM, caulfield12 said:

Nobody who went to Harvard Law School in the Class of 1996 liked the guy back then either. 

Nobody mentions his education more than you, good grief

[Tony]

22 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

I'm not saying that Rick Hahn doesn't need to go, but he drafted/signed/acquired Moncada, Anderson, Vaughn, Jimenez, Robert, Grandal, Giolito, Cease, Giolito, and Kopech, and if all of those guys performed to their ability this would be a 95+ win team. How much can we really say is on him that these guys have been injured and/or underperforming?

There are a few points here. 

1. There is a reason a team like Boston would trade Moncada and not Devers, who the Sox reportedly wanted but the Red Sox wouldn't include him and instead went with Moncada. Smart teams know who the true keepers are, and who have more red flags. The same can be said for Kopech and Giolitio

2. People often overlook the job of a GM, and all that goes into it outside of player acquisition. Say Rick Hahn was in charge of a marketing department. He hires 2 brand new creatives, 2 hires that come from big agencies and have a good track record. When they arrive to work, they are set up with two desktop computers from 1998. Not really setting up your new investments for success, are you? The training staff and baseball analytics department is woefully behind the times, and we've seen it impact the Sox on the field over the last handful of years. The "core" of this team basically never plays together at the same time. 

3. Sports is unfair. Being a GM is unfair. I don't disagree that on paper, Rick Hahn built a solid core during the rebuild. The names listed in your post, on paper, make up a solid foundation. For whatever reason, it didn't work. The biggest issue is we said from Day 1 of the rebuild, as excited as were for each name listed above, some of them weren't going to work out. They never do, for any baseball team. Prospects fail. You know it's going to happen, and you need to be prepared for it when it does happen. The next wave of talent needs to be there. That's maybe the biggest failure of the Sox. They went all in on their core, and had NOTHING to back it up. The minor league system is a barren wasteland with almost no MLB talent. That means they have to spend in FA, which 95% of the time is a fools errand. 

[caulfield12]

Hendriks getting battered around won't exactly improve his trade value... 

[Jerry McNertney]

The Baltimore Orioles in 2021 had a record of 52-110. This year as of today, their record is 31-16. That's a successful rebuild.

[bmags]

8 minutes ago, Jerry McNertney said:

The Baltimore Orioles in 2021 had a record of 52-110. This year as of today, their record is 31-16. That's a successful rebuild.

and this year their payroll is just comp balance tax of $88 million whereas in 2020 hahn had payroll up to $178 million (people forget we had a weirdly high lux tax number with the extensions) and $128mill. They have a competitive team just with their farm, margin scouting and player dev. Soon they'll get to add.

[Quin]

1 hour ago, Tony said:

There are a few points here. 

1. There is a reason a team like Boston would trade Moncada and not Devers, who the Sox reportedly wanted but the Red Sox wouldn't include him and instead went with Moncada. Smart teams know who the true keepers are, and who have more red flags. The same can be said for Kopech and Giolitio

2. People often overlook the job of a GM, and all that goes into it outside of player acquisition. Say Rick Hahn was in charge of a marketing department. He hires 2 brand new creatives, 2 hires that come from big agencies and have a good track record. When they arrive to work, they are set up with two desktop computers from 1998. Not really setting up your new investments for success, are you? The training staff and baseball analytics department is woefully behind the times, and we've seen it impact the Sox on the field over the last handful of years. The "core" of this team basically never plays together at the same time. 

3. Sports is unfair. Being a GM is unfair. I don't disagree that on paper, Rick Hahn built a solid core during the rebuild. The names listed in your post, on paper, make up a solid foundation. For whatever reason, it didn't work. The biggest issue is we said from Day 1 of the rebuild, as excited as were for each name listed above, some of them weren't going to work out. They never do, for any baseball team. Prospects fail. You know it's going to happen, and you need to be prepared for it when it does happen. The next wave of talent needs to be there. That's maybe the biggest failure of the Sox. They went all in on their core, and had NOTHING to back it up. The minor league system is a barren wasteland with almost no MLB talent. That means they have to spend in FA, which 95% of the time is a fools errand. 

I'm almost definitely misremembering but wasn't it:

1. White Sox wanted Benintendi or Moncada, Red Sox said no to Benintendi.

2. Kopech was the second piece.

3. White Sox wanted Devers as the third piece, to which the Red Sox said no, so the White Sox settled on Basabe and Diaz.

Before posting I just decided to check and this seems to be the case (at least according to Dombrowski after the fact): https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/how-close-did-red-sox-come-trading-rafael-devers-chris-sale-let-dave-dombrowski-explain

Quote

"We were already giving up Moncada or Benintendi and Kopech," Dombrowski said. "We knew that they liked those other guys so much, and we kept weighing it in or our mind and kept saying, if you have one of those two guys and Kopech, we didn't think anyone could realistically match that deal. So we told them at that point we were not going to give up Devers. And then they came back to us with a couple of other names."

 

[South Side Hit Men]

8 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The worst part is they fought from 2016-2021 to get to that playoff series with the Astros...the following year, jumped from 1.6 million to 2+ million in anticipation of having a World Series contender, and are now about to give it all back and then some over the course of this current/ongoing three year period (will compare to 2019 and not the Covid year, obviously).

 

2019

	23 Chicago White Sox 76 1,629,636 21,442 0.0 81 24,384 0.0 157 22,960 0.0 24 Oakland 81 1,662,211 20,521 0.0 81 27,615 0.0 162 24,068 0.0 25 Detroit 80 1,501,430 18,767 0.0 79 24,826 0.0 159 21,778 0.0 26 Kansas City 80 1,479,659 18,495 0.0 80 25,072 0.0 160 21,783 0.0 27 Pittsburgh 81 1,491,429 18,412 0.0 81 32,070 0.0 162 25,241 0.0 28 Baltimore 80 1,307,807 16,347 0.0 78 25,484 0.0 158 20,858 0.0 29 Tampa Bay 80 1,178,735 14,734 0.0 79 26,067 0.0 159 20,365 0.0 30 Miami 81 811,302 10,016 0.0 80 27,812 0.0 161 18,858 0.0
	2018 20 Minnesota 80 1,959,197 24,489 63.6 81 27,017 64.4 161 25,761 64.0 21 Cleveland 80 1,926,701 24,083 55.4 81 26,088 64.2 161 25,092 59.7 22 Detroit 80 1,856,970 23,212 56.3 80 26,157 62.4 160 24,685 59.3 23 Kansas City 81 1,665,107 20,556 54.2 80 24,262 57.7 161 22,398 56.1 24 Cincinnati 81 1,629,356 20,115 47.5 81 29,918 70.3 162 25,017 59.0 25 Chicago White Sox 80 1,608,817 20,110 50.1 80 26,240 62.8 160 23,175 56.6 26 Baltimore 78 1,564,192 20,053 44.1 81 27,204 64.2 159 23,696 54.0 27 Oakland 81 1,573,616 19,427 55.4 80 28,748 65.5 161 24,058 61.0 28 Pittsburgh 78 1,465,316 18,786 49.0 81 31,288 72.7 159 25,155 61.7 29 Tampa Bay 81 1,154,973 14,258 41.8 80 26,381 60.8 161 20,282 52.4 30 Miami 81 811,104 10,013 26.7 79 28,917 67.2 160 19,347 48.1                                               2017 21 Minnesota 80 2,051,279 25,640 64.9 80 27,797 65.5 160 26,719 65.2 22 Cleveland 81 2,048,138 25,285 58.2 80 27,729 66.3 161 26,499 62.2 23 Baltimore 81 2,028,424 25,042 55.1 81 29,457 69.7 162 27,250 62.1 24 Philadelphia 79 1,905,354 24,118 55.3 81 30,940 72.3 160 27,571 63.8 25 Pittsburgh 81 1,919,447 23,696 62.5 81 32,633 75.3 162 28,164 69.4 26 Cincinnati 81 1,836,917 22,677 53.6 81 32,094 74.8 162 27,386 64.3 27 Chicago White Sox 79 1,629,470 20,626 50.8 81 28,443 66.4 160 24,583 58.9 28 Miami 81 1,651,997 20,395 54.2 80 29,160 67.4 161 24,750 61.2 29 Oakland 80 1,475,721 18,446 52.6 80 29,466 67.1 160 23,956 60.7 30 Tampa Bay 80 1,253,619 15,670 45.6 81 29,898 68.8 161 22,828 58.6

Sox aren't at risk at just dropping below the tanking year attendance numbers. They are at risk of dropping below the all time new park era - the two post WS cancellation + White Flag Trade 1998-1999 seasons (not counting the two government lockout season/ partial season 2020-2021).

Perhaps Chief Revenue Boyer can join Hahn out the door.

[Tnetennba]

2 hours ago, Tony said:

There are a few points here. 

1. There is a reason a team like Boston would trade Moncada and not Devers, who the Sox reportedly wanted but the Red Sox wouldn't include him and instead went with Moncada. Smart teams know who the true keepers are, and who have more red flags. The same can be said for Kopech and Giolitio

2. People often overlook the job of a GM, and all that goes into it outside of player acquisition. Say Rick Hahn was in charge of a marketing department. He hires 2 brand new creatives, 2 hires that come from big agencies and have a good track record. When they arrive to work, they are set up with two desktop computers from 1998. Not really setting up your new investments for success, are you? The training staff and baseball analytics department is woefully behind the times, and we've seen it impact the Sox on the field over the last handful of years. The "core" of this team basically never plays together at the same time. 

3. Sports is unfair. Being a GM is unfair. I don't disagree that on paper, Rick Hahn built a solid core during the rebuild. The names listed in your post, on paper, make up a solid foundation. For whatever reason, it didn't work. The biggest issue is we said from Day 1 of the rebuild, as excited as were for each name listed above, some of them weren't going to work out. They never do, for any baseball team. Prospects fail. You know it's going to happen, and you need to be prepared for it when it does happen. The next wave of talent needs to be there. That's maybe the biggest failure of the Sox. They went all in on their core, and had NOTHING to back it up. The minor league system is a barren wasteland with almost no MLB talent. That means they have to spend in FA, which 95% of the time is a fools errand. 

#3 nails it.  Yes Hahn put together a solid core in a short period of time, but the majority of the prospects came from other orgs.  That #1 ranked system was so very top heavy.  And the corner cutting started almost immediately after the rebuild was officially underway.  They banked everything on that one group panning out and did little to subelement, let alone build a 2nd and 3rd wave of talent behind them.  

[GreenSox]

2 hours ago, Tony said:

Smart teams know who the true keepers are, and who have more red flags.

Yes they do.  And non-smart teams - ahem, ahem  - don't have a clue.

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

#3 nails it.  Yes Hahn put together a solid core in a short period of time, but the majority of the prospects came from other orgs.  That #1 ranked system was so very top heavy.  And the corner cutting started almost immediately after the rebuild was officially underway.  They banked everything on that one group panning out and did little to subelement, let alone build a 2nd and 3rd wave of talent behind them.  

Spent principally on Keuchel, Grandal, Lynn/extension, Hendriks, Abreu extension...finally Benintendi. 

Nothing resembling a star there. 

Hendriks you could argue Top 3 or elite closer and Grandal Top 5-7/fringe All Star (but just hitting 30s steady decline period) catcher. 

Edited May 23, 2023 by caulfield12

[Quin]

5 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

#3 nails it.  Yes Hahn put together a solid core in a short period of time, but the majority of the prospects came from other orgs.  That #1 ranked system was so very top heavy.  And the corner cutting started almost immediately after the rebuild was officially underway.  They banked everything on that one group panning out and did little to subelement, let alone build a 2nd and 3rd wave of talent behind them.  

2014-2016: No depth to supplement small but solid core. Sign B-tier and C-tier free-agents.

2020-2023: No depth to supplement slightly larger, but can't-stay healthy core. Sign B-tier and C-tier free-agents.

[pcq]

2 hours ago, Tony said:

There are a few points here. 

1. There is a reason a team like Boston would trade Moncada and not Devers, who the Sox reportedly wanted but the Red Sox wouldn't include him and instead went with Moncada. Smart teams know who the true keepers are, and who have more red flags. The same can be said for Kopech and Giolitio

2. People often overlook the job of a GM, and all that goes into it outside of player acquisition. Say Rick Hahn was in charge of a marketing department. He hires 2 brand new creatives, 2 hires that come from big agencies and have a good track record. When they arrive to work, they are set up with two desktop computers from 1998. Not really setting up your new investments for success, are you? The training staff and baseball analytics department is woefully behind the times, and we've seen it impact the Sox on the field over the last handful of years. The "core" of this team basically never plays together at the same time. 

3. Sports is unfair. Being a GM is unfair. I don't disagree that on paper, Rick Hahn built a solid core during the rebuild. The names listed in your post, on paper, make up a solid foundation. For whatever reason, it didn't work. The biggest issue is we said from Day 1 of the rebuild, as excited as were for each name listed above, some of them weren't going to work out. They never do, for any baseball team. Prospects fail. You know it's going to happen, and you need to be prepared for it when it does happen. The next wave of talent needs to be there. That's maybe the biggest failure of the Sox. They went all in on their core, and had NOTHING to back it up. The minor league system is a barren wasteland with almost no MLB talent. That means they have to spend in FA, which 95% of the time is a fools errand. 

Hahnny is a middling-GM for better or for worse. The Sox seem to lack access to cutting edge knowledge or procedures particular to MLB. Soxorg is like the table full of guys at the meeting in Money Ball who disagree with how Billy wants to run his ball club. Maybe hire Theo's nephew and pick his brain a bit. There is a huge process going on right now regarding broadcast rights and I doubt the Sox have a plan to shape the future. Meanwhile someone else will figure out how to optimize AI for baseball while the Sox are at the kiddie table.

[The Kids Can Play]

52 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Sox aren't at risk at just dropping below the tanking year attendance numbers. They are at risk of dropping below the all time new park era - the two post WS cancellation + White Flag Trade 1998-1999 seasons (not counting the two government lockout season/ partial season 2020-2021).

Perhaps Chief Revenue Boyer can join Hahn out the door.

We said this all along, these Sox fans need to send a message and I hope it continues to get louder.

This is what happens when a team has an owner who has "checked out" and doesn't give a damn about his players or fans.

Jerry deserves all this and more! 

[baseball_gal_aly]

I've loved my Sox for over 20 years. I watched religiously for most of that time. The failure of this rebuild has made me kinda indifferent. Though it's apparent now, you could see the seeds of failure during the 2021 season. 

[joejoesox]

Sox are never gonna have a deep farm until they pry coaches away from other orgs, and I don't see that happening anytime soon

[The Kids Can Play]

8 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

Sox are never gonna have a deep farm until they pry coaches away from other orgs, and I don't see that happening anytime soon

You're right about going out and recruiting away talent from other successful teams. However it has to start at the top. The main problem and only problem is Reinsdorf. He is too clueless and arrogant to understand the value of going out to the super successful baseball teams and recruiting their best people away. In all successful companies or Sports teams in America, they call this recruiting the "Best Practices" type people! The Sox will never have a great farm system until they go out and recruit a top executive from a winning organization that has shown the consistent track record of building a productive and highly ranked farm system.

The Dodgers understood this concept several years ago and decided to recruit one of top GM's in baseball in Andrew Friedman to leave Tampa Bay as a GM and go to LA with a promotion of president of baseball operations and a massive raise in salary. Then in turn, Friedman was allowed to bring in his own people and hire a GM, along with all other top executive FO people needed to run a successful and winning baseball club. 

Until Jerry wakes up and decides to try this concept, or when the team is sold and then the new owner hopefully cleans house and does this, the White Sox will always be a dysfunctional and embarrassing baseball organization, especially developing talent in the farm system. 

[Quin]

6 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

You're right about going out and recruiting away talent from other successful teams. However it has to start at the top. The main problem and only problem is Reinsdorf. He is too clueless and arrogant to understand the value of going out to the super successful baseball teams and recruiting their best people away. In all successful companies or Sports teams in America, they call this recruiting the "Best Practices" type people! The Sox will never have a great farm system until they go out and recruit a top executive from a winning organization that has shown the consistent track record of building a productive and highly ranked farm system.

The Dodgers understood this concept several years ago and decided to recruit one of top GM's in baseball in Andrew Friedman to leave Tampa Bay as a GM and go to LA with a promotion of president of baseball operations and a massive raise in salary. Then in turn, Friedman was allowed to bring in his own people and hire a GM, along with all other top executive FO people needed to run a successful and winning baseball club. 

Until Jerry wakes up and decides to try this concept, or when the team is sold and then the new owner hopefully cleans house and does this, the White Sox will always be a dysfunctional and embarrassing baseball organization, especially developing talent in the farm system. 

If there's one lesson all of baseball should have this past decade+, it's that everyone should poach as much Rays front office talent as possible.

[Dick Allen]

What really makes me salty is everyone misses, but what in the world has Hahn ever done to make anyone think he could lead this team to championships?  For every positive, their are 4 or 5 hamstringing negatives with everything he does.

[The Kids Can Play]

17 minutes ago, Quin said:

If there's one lesson all of baseball should have this past decade+, it's that everyone should poach as much Rays front office talent as possible.

You are damn right on that!

Edited May 23, 2023 by The Kids Can Play

[T R U]

On 5/22/2023 at 9:17 AM, CentralChamps21 said:

I'm not saying that Rick Hahn doesn't need to go, but he drafted/signed/acquired Moncada, Anderson, Vaughn, Jimenez, Robert, Grandal, Giolito, Cease, Giolito, and Kopech, and if all of those guys performed to their ability this would be a 95+ win team. How much can we really say is on him that these guys have been injured and/or underperforming?

We can say its all on him, its his job.

[whitesoxfan99]

On 5/22/2023 at 9:17 AM, CentralChamps21 said:

I'm not saying that Rick Hahn doesn't need to go, but he drafted/signed/acquired Moncada, Anderson, Vaughn, Jimenez, Robert, Grandal, Giolito, Cease, Giolito, and Kopech, and if all of those guys performed to their ability this would be a 95+ win team. How much can we really say is on him that these guys have been injured and/or underperforming?

If every top prospect he acquired hit at a 100% rate they'd be winning at a 95+ win rate isn't exactly a winning sales pitch.  Players get injured and prospects bust. That is why you need depth. And realistically:

1. Kopech has at no point shown himself to be a good major league starter and has had tons of injury problems.  Counting on him at this point makes no sense.

2. Andrew Vaughn was a high draft pick and solid prospect but not a special one. There are lots of guys like that and they don't always turn out.

3.  Moncada has had one great season 4 years ago.  It's silly to think that is who he is.

4. Grandal is a 34 year old catcher.  He is going to be in the decline phase of his career.

5.  Giolito has been fine. 

6. Eloy was a bat only prospect who had had injury issues every year for 4 years now. 

Good organizations build depth and versatility.  Hahn has done nothing other than the super easy part of trading three premium assets for good prospect packages.  Aside from those moves his talent acquisition of anyone with real big upside consisted of signing Luis Robert to a really large deal in international free agency.  His drafting has been s%*#.  His major league scouting s%*#.  Free agent signing laughable.  And he had two just absolutely disastrous trades right before the Sox decided to rebuild when he decided to acquire s%*# pitchers for a team that wasn't winning anything and gave up premium talents in Semien and Tatis (although I fully acknowledge this trash organization wouldn't have turned Semien into anything).

[chitownsportsfan]

What is the average WAR per MLB draft and how much do the Sox have in the last decade if you remove Tim Anderson? Hell, don't remove Tim Anderson, I'd have to think it's well below league average even with him.

[LittleHurtCG]

2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

What really makes me salty is everyone misses, but what in the world has Hahn ever done to make anyone think he could lead this team to championships?  For every positive, their are 4 or 5 hamstringing negatives with everything he does.

Absolutely nothing. The whole rebuild was dead on arrival because he was the architect behind it. The guy has to go before he sets the franchise back another 15 years. 

[South Side Hit Men]

3 hours ago, Quin said:

2014-2016: No depth to supplement small but solid core. Sign B-tier and C-tier free-agents.

2020-2023: No depth to supplement slightly larger, but can't-stay healthy core. Sign B-tier and C-tier free-agents.

The Sox have developed / signed many top pitchers over the years, but Larry Himes's prospects signed over four years were the only legitimate core signed and developed by the White Sox in the draft era. 

This is why White Sox fans can't have nice things.

Top Ten MLB Career bWAR Draft and Signed Players (Round & Year) by GM.

 

Rick Hahn (2013-2022)

• 17.6 T. Anderson (1 2013) - Starting SS 2023.
• 16.7 C. Rodon (1 2014) - 11.2 with the White Sox through 2021. Hahn declined QO.
• 3.8 A. Bummer (19 2014) - Set up reliever 2023.
• 3.1 A. Engel (19 2013) - Reserve OF post tanking. Released 2022. San Diego 2023. 
• 2.3 N. Madrigal (1 2018) - 0.6 after 83 games, Traded for Kimbrel.
• 1.6 A. Vaughn (1 2020) - Starting 1B 2023.
• 1.4 C. Heuer (6 2018) - Traded for Kimbrel 0.0. 0.8 post trade with 2021 Cubs.
• 1.2 J. Burger (1 2017) - Possible starting DH effective May 2023.
• 1.2 D. Mendick (22 2015) - Reserve INF, Mets AAA in 2023. Released 2022.
• 1.0 I. Hamilton (11 2016) - Waived 2020, claimed by Seattle.

Ken Williams (2001-2012)

• 46.0 C. Sale (1 2010) - 30.1 with White Sox. RH Trade Dec 2016 for Moncada 13.8 & Kopech 4.4.
• 37.5 M. Semien (6 2011) - RH Trade with Bassitt & Phegley 2.4 for Samardzjia 0.3 and Ynoa 0.2.
• 28.3 G. Gonzalez (1 2004) - Traded with Rowand for Jim Thome 12.1.
• 16.5 C. Young (16 2001) - Traded with El Duque for Javier Vazquez 12.1.
• 14.1 C. Bassitt (16 2011) - RH Trade - See Semien above.
• 10.0 B. McCarthy (17 2002) - Traded for Danks 20.4.
• 8.7 H. Santiago (30 2006) - 4.4 with Sox before RH Trade for Eaton (13.4 + 2016 Trade).
• 7.1 D. Hudson (5 2008) - Traded for Edwin Jackson 4.2.
• 6.9 R. Sweeney (2 2003) - Traded with Gio Gonzalez for Asshole Nick Swisher -0.2.
• 6.0 A. Reed (3 2010) - 1.1 w/ Sox before RH Trade for Matt Davidson -0.2.

Ron Schueler (1991-2000)

• 59.1 M. Buehrle (38 1998) - Awesome Sox career 48.7. KW Released 2011. 10.4 final 4 seasons.
• 46.7 M. Cameron (18 1991) - 5.9 before Trade to Reds for Paul Konerko 28.1.
• 20.9 A. Rowand (1 1998) - 12.7 before KW Trade with Gio Gonzalez 28.3 for Jim Thome 12.1
• 14.7 J. Crede (5 1996) - 12.4 before KW 2008 release. 2.3 with Twins in 2009 (Beckham 2.1).
• 10.1 C. Bradford (13 1996) - 0.0 before KW Trade for Miguel Olivo 2.2 + F. Garcia Trade.
• 9.9 M. Sirotka (15 1993) - 9.9 before KW Trade to Toronto for David Wells 1.3.
• 8.0 M. Guerrier (10 1999) - KW Trade to Pittsburgh for Damaso Marte 8.0.
• 8.0 K. Wells (1 1998) - 1.3 before KW Trade for Todd Ritchie -1.7.
• 7.6 B. Donnelly (27 1992) - Released April 16, 1993.
• 6.2 J. Rauch (3 1999) - -0.7 before KW Trade for Carl "Was, Not Was" Everett 2.2.

Larry Himes (1987-1990)

• 73.8 F. Thomas (1 1989) - 63.8 HOFer before jealous KW 2005 Release. 10.0 Oakland/Toronto.
• 56.1 R. Ventura (1 1988) - 39.4 over 10 seasons. RS Release 1998. 16.7 Final 7 seasons.
• 33.8 R. Durham (5 1990) - 21.4 over 8 seasons before KW Trade for J. Adkins 0.1.
• 28.5 A. Fernandez (1 1990) - 20.3 over 7 seasons. RS Released 1996. 5.9 & WS w/ Florida.
• 27.8 J. McDowell (1 1987) - 21.6 over 7 seasons before RS Trade for L. Mouton 1.9.
• 16.9 B. Wickman (2 1990) - RS Trade with Melido Perez 8.0 for Steve Sax -0.2.
• 9.3 J. Baldwin (4 1990) - 8.2 over 7 seasons before KW Trade for G. Majewski 0.0.
• 3.6 J. Borowski (32 1989) - RS Trade for Pete Rose II 0.0
• 3.3 J. Bere (36 1990) - 1.7 over 6 seasons before RS Released 1998.
• 1.4 J. Ruffin (4 1988) - RS Trade for Tim Belcher 0.5.

Ken Harrelson (1986)

• 6.4 S. Radinsky (3 1986) - 2.6 before RS 1995 Release.

Roland Hemond (1974-1985)

• 38.8 H. Baines (1 1977) - 22.2 first stint before LH Trade for Alverez 17.4, Fletcher 2.6, Sosa 1.1
• 29.2 D. Drabek (11 1983) - Trade for R. Smalley -0.1.
• 24.9 R. Velarde (19 1985) - LH Trade for S. Nielsen -0.9.
• 17.9 B. Burns (3 1978) - Enter MLB career with White Sox. KH Trade for 2.4 J. Cowley & Hassey.
• 16.4 P. Vuckovich (3 1974) - -0.4 before Drafted by Toronto in Expansion Draft.
• 14.6 R. Karkovice (1 1982) - Entire MLB career with White Sox. Released 1997.
• 13.4 S. Trout (1 1976) - 5.7 for 5 seasons before Trade for Scott Fletcher 10.5.
• 7.8 B. Thigpen (4 1985) - 8.4 over 8 seasons before RS Trade for Jose DeLeon 5.3.
• 6.2 D. Frost (18 1974) - 0.6 before Trade with Downing 43.2 for Richard Dotson 17.4.
• 5.1 R. Baumgarten (20 1977) - 6.0 before Trade for Vance Law 4.0 + Later B. James 3.0.

Stu Holcomb (1971-1973)

• 5.4 K. Kravec (3 1973) - 6.3 over six seasons before RH Trade for Dennis Lamp 6.1.
• 1.9 B. Sharp (2 1971) - 1.2 over three seasons before RH Trade for B. Coluccio -0.2
• 0.3 M. Squires (18 1973) - Entire career with the White Sox before RH 1985 Release.

Ed Short (1965-1970)

• 41.2 R. Gossage (9 1970) - 9.9 before RH Trade with Forster 7.5 for Richie Zisk 2.7.
• 20.4 T. Forster (2 1970) - 12.0 before RH Trade with R. Gossage 31.3 for Richie Zisk 2.7.
• 10.5 C. May (1 1966) - 10.1 before RH Trade  for K. Brett 4.9 & R, Coggins -0.9.
• 6.1 J. Hairston (3 1970) - Entire career except 1977 Pittsburgh (51 G) before LH 1989 Release.
• 5.9 L. Johnson (3 1968) - 6.1 over 8 seasons before 1981 Release.
• 3.0 K. Frailing (5 1966) - 0.6 over 2 seasons before RH Trade (with 3 others) for R. Santo -1.4.
• 1.6 P. Edmondson (21 1965) - 1 MLB season (14 games in 1969), 1969 Release.
• 0.3 B. Kimm (7 1969) - SH Trade with B. Miller -0.9 for Eddie Fischer 0.6.
• 0.2 D. O'Toole (6 1967) - 0.2 before RH Trade for J. Kremmel included in R. Santo trade -1.4.
• 0.1 J. Geddes (6 1970) - 1972-1973 MLB, played in minors until 1975.