Fire Rick Hahn

[The Kids Can Play]

6 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

 

The Sox have developed / signed many top pitchers over the years, but Larry Himes's prospects signed over four years were the only legitimate core signed and developed by the White Sox in the draft era. 

This is why White Sox fans can't have nice things.

Top Ten MLB Career bWAR Draft and Signed Players (Round & Year) by GM.

 

Rick Hahn (2013-2022)

• 17.6 T. Anderson (1 2013) - Starting SS 2023.
• 16.7 C. Rodon (1 2014) - 11.2 with the White Sox through 2021. Hahn declined QO.
• 3.8 A. Bummer (19 2014) - Set up reliever 2023.
• 3.1 A. Engel (19 2013) - Reserve OF post tanking. Released 2022. San Diego 2023. 
• 2.3 N. Madrigal (1 2018) - 0.6 after 83 games, Traded for Kimbrel.
• 1.6 A. Vaughn (1 2020) - Starting 1B 2023.
• 1.4 C. Heuer (6 2018) - Traded for Kimbrel 0.0. 0.8 post trade with 2021 Cubs.
• 1.2 J. Burger (1 2017) - Possible starting DH effective May 2023.
• 1.2 D. Mendick (22 2015) - Reserve INF, Mets AAA in 2023. Released 2022.
• 1.0 I. Hamilton (11 2016) - Waived 2020, claimed by Seattle.

Ken Williams (2001-2012)

• 46.0 C. Sale (1 2010) - 30.1 with White Sox. RH Trade Dec 2016 for Moncada 13.8 & Kopech 4.4.
• 37.5 M. Semien (6 2011) - RH Trade with Bassitt & Phegley 2.4 for Samardzjia 0.3 and Ynoa 0.2.
• 28.3 G. Gonzalez (1 2004) - Traded with Rowand for Jim Thome 12.1.
• 16.5 C. Young (16 2001) - Traded with El Duque for Javier Vazquez 12.1.
• 14.1 C. Bassitt (16 2011) - RH Trade - See Semien above.
• 10.0 B. McCarthy (17 2002) - Traded for Danks 20.4.
• 8.7 H. Santiago (30 2006) - 4.4 with Sox before RH Trade for Eaton (13.4 + 2016 Trade).
• 7.1 D. Hudson (5 2008) - Traded for Edwin Jackson 4.2.
• 6.9 R. Sweeney (2 2003) - Traded with Gio Gonzalez for Asshole Nick Swisher -0.2.
• 6.0 A. Reed (3 2010) - 1.1 w/ Sox before RH Trade for Matt Davidson -0.2.

Ron Schueler (1991-2000)

• 59.1 M. Buehrle (38 1998) - Awesome Sox career 48.7. KW Released 2011. 10.4 final 4 seasons.
• 46.7 M. Cameron (18 1991) - 5.9 before Trade to Reds for Paul Konerko 28.1.
• 20.9 A. Rowand (1 1998) - 12.7 before KW Trade with Gio Gonzalez 28.3 for Jim Thome 12.1
• 14.7 J. Crede (5 1996) - 12.4 before KW 2008 release. 2.3 with Twins in 2009 (Beckham 2.1).
• 10.1 C. Bradford (13 1996) - 0.0 before KW Trade for Miguel Olivo 2.2 + F. Garcia Trade.
• 9.9 M. Sirotka (15 1993) - 9.9 before KW Trade to Toronto for David Wells 1.3.
• 8.0 M. Guerrier (10 1999) - KW Trade to Pittsburgh for Damaso Marte 8.0.
• 8.0 K. Wells (1 1998) - 1.3 before KW Trade for Todd Ritchie -1.7.
• 7.6 B. Donnelly (27 1992) - Released April 16, 1993.
• 6.2 J. Rauch (3 1999) - -0.7 before KW Trade for Carl "Was, Not Was" Everett 2.2.

Larry Himes (1987-1990)

• 73.8 F. Thomas (1 1989) - 63.8 HOFer before jealous KW 2005 Release. 10.0 Oakland/Toronto.
• 56.1 R. Ventura (1 1988) - 39.4 over 10 seasons. RS Release 1998. 16.7 Final 7 seasons.
• 33.8 R. Durham (5 1990) - 21.4 over 8 seasons before KW Trade for J. Adkins 0.1.
• 28.5 A. Fernandez (1 1990) - 20.3 over 7 seasons. RS Released 1996. 5.9 & WS w/ Florida.
• 27.8 J. McDowell (1 1987) - 21.6 over 7 seasons before RS Trade for L. Mouton 1.9.
• 16.9 B. Wickman (2 1990) - RS Trade with Melido Perez 8.0 for Steve Sax -0.2.
• 9.3 J. Baldwin (4 1990) - 8.2 over 7 seasons before KW Trade for G. Majewski 0.0.
• 3.6 J. Borowski (32 1989) - RS Trade for Pete Rose II 0.0
• 3.3 J. Bere (36 1990) - 1.7 over 6 seasons before RS Released 1998.
• 1.4 J. Ruffin (4 1988) - RS Trade for Tim Belcher 0.5.

Ken Harrelson (1986)

• 6.4 S. Radinsky (3 1986) - 2.6 before RS 1995 Release.

Roland Hemond (1974-1985)

• 38.8 H. Baines (1 1977) - 22.2 first stint before LH Trade for Alverez 17.4, Fletcher 2.6, Sosa 1.1
• 29.2 D. Drabek (11 1983) - Trade for R. Smalley -0.1.
• 24.9 R. Velarde (19 1985) - LH Trade for S. Nielsen -0.9.
• 17.9 B. Burns (3 1978) - Enter MLB career with White Sox. KH Trade for 2.4 J. Cowley & Hassey.
• 16.4 P. Vuckovich (3 1974) - -0.4 before Drafted by Toronto in Expansion Draft.
• 14.6 R. Karkovice (1 1982) - Entire MLB career with White Sox. Released 1997.
• 13.4 S. Trout (1 1976) - 5.7 for 5 seasons before Trade for Scott Fletcher 10.5.
• 7.8 B. Thigpen (4 1985) - 8.4 over 8 seasons before RS Trade for Jose DeLeon 5.3.
• 6.2 D. Frost (18 1974) - 0.6 before Trade with Downing 43.2 for Richard Dotson 17.4.
• 5.1 R. Baumgarten (20 1977) - 6.0 before Trade for Vance Law 4.0 + Later B. James 3.0.

Stu Holcomb (1971-1973)

• 5.4 K. Kravec (3 1973) - 6.3 over six seasons before RH Trade for Dennis Lamp 6.1.
• 1.9 B. Sharp (2 1971) - 1.2 over three seasons before RH Trade for B. Coluccio -0.2
• 0.3 M. Squires (18 1973) - Entire career with the White Sox before RH 1985 Release.

Ed Short (1965-1970)

• 41.2 R. Gossage (9 1970) - 9.9 before RH Trade with Forster 7.5 for Richie Zisk 2.7.
• 20.4 T. Forster (2 1970) - 12.0 before RH Trade with R. Gossage 31.3 for Richie Zisk 2.7.
• 10.5 C. May (1 1966) - 10.1 before RH Trade  for K. Brett 4.9 & R, Coggins -0.9.
• 6.1 J. Hairston (3 1970) - Entire career except 1977 Pittsburgh (51 G) before LH 1989 Release.
• 5.9 L. Johnson (3 1968) - 6.1 over 8 seasons before 1981 Release.
• 3.0 K. Frailing (5 1966) - 0.6 over 2 seasons before RH Trade (with 3 others) for R. Santo -1.4.
• 1.6 P. Edmondson (21 1965) - 1 MLB season (14 games in 1969), 1969 Release.
• 0.3 B. Kimm (7 1969) - SH Trade with B. Miller -0.9 for Eddie Fischer 0.6.
• 0.2 D. O'Toole (6 1967) - 0.2 before RH Trade for J. Kremmel included in R. Santo trade -1.4.
• 0.1 J. Geddes (6 1970) - 1972-1973 MLB, played in minors until 1975.

Great information and very telling on why Hahn needs to be fired! 

These numbers are very bothersome and clearly show why Hahn has:

- Destroyed the rebuild!  Now we are potentially looking at a second rebuild 2.0.

- Put together a horribly flawed roster, which equates to a team 11 games under 500, with the 3rd worst record, in the worst division in baseball.

- Failed miserably in building a quality farm system because he was inept in hiring the right people to help him in scouting, drafting and developing young productive prospects, which equates to the 26th ranked farm system.

- Is dreadfully bad at making trades, free agent signings and squandered away the 11th highest payroll of 186 million, which equates to one of the most embarrassing and dysfunctional franchises in baseball.

No other owner in baseball except for Reinsdorf, would look at this horrendously unsuccessful track record over 10 years and not have fired Hahn by now.

 

[caulfield12]

14 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

Great information and very telling on why Hahn needs to be fired! 

These numbers are very bothersome and clearly show why Hahn has:

- Destroyed the rebuild!  Now we are potentially looking at a second rebuild 2.0.

- Put together a horribly flawed roster, which equates to a team 11 games under 500, with the 3rd worst record, in the worst division in baseball.

- Failed miserably in building a quality farm system because he was inept in hiring the right people to help him in scouting, drafting and developing young productive prospects, which equates to the 26th ranked farm system.

- Is dreadfully bad at making trades, free agent signings and squandered away the 11th highest payroll of 186 million, which equates to one of the most embarrassing and dysfunctional franchises in baseball.

No other owner in baseball except for Reinsdorf, would look at this horrendously unsuccessful track record over 10 years and not have fired Hahn by now.

 

The payroll high point was actually #7 in the majors during the last 12-18 months. 

Now they're around #12 according to Cot's Baseball Contracts. 

[FloydBannister1983]

2 hours ago, LittleHurtCG said:

Absolutely nothing. The whole rebuild was dead on arrival because he was the architect behind it. The guy has to go before he sets the franchise back another 15 years. 

I said this back in 2017 and was attacked as being a Cubs fan.  Hahn needed a chance they said.  No matter that he’s the one who drove the Titanic into the iceberg.  They wanted him to man the rescue ships too.  What could go wrong?

[SonofaRoache]

33 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

I said this back in 2017 and was attacked as being a Cubs fan.  Hahn needed a chance they said.  No matter that he’s the one who drove the Titanic into the iceberg.  They wanted him to man the rescue ships too.  What could go wrong?

It is never Rick's fault. Blame Kenny, TLR, DK, Jerry, etc. Hahn is just now starting to get his fair shake. Dude is just simply, ass juice. 

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

I said this back in 2017 and was attacked as being a Cubs fan.  Hahn needed a chance they said.  No matter that he’s the one who drove the Titanic into the iceberg.  They wanted him to man the rescue ships too.  What could go wrong?

Speaking of Cubs' fans, where has Ron been recently?

[joejoesox]

 

[4uckOffCommieScum]

I was just thinking. The Sox should fire Rick Hahn

[Dick Allen]

37 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said:

I was just thinking. The Sox should fire Rick Hahn

I like the way you think.

[Snopek]

Seems like Conforto is doing better than Colas thus far. Glad Rick had a plan though.

[caulfield12]

9 minutes ago, Snopek said:

Seems like Conforto is doing better than Colas thus far. Glad Rick had a plan though.

Gallo has been one of the best bargains...and not a long-term commitment, either.

[reiks12]

Shortstop: -1.3 WAR (Worst in MLB)

Second base: -1.4 WAR (Worst in MLB)

Right Field: -1.2 WAR (Second worst in MLB)

Pinch Hitter (offensive depth): -0.5 WAR (Worst in MLB)

Catcher: -,7 WAR (Fourth worst in MLB)

Relief Pitchers: -2.5 WAR (Second worst in MLB)

 

HOW IS HE STILL EMPLOYED?

[Snopek]

To be clear, I didn’t mind Colas getting a shot. But there needed to at least be a better backup plan than put DH guy in outfield.

[Snopek]

1 minute ago, reiks12 said:

Shortstop: -1.3 WAR (Worst in MLB)

Second base: -1.4 WAR (Worst in MLB)

Right Field: -1.2 WAR (Second worst in MLB)

Pinch Hitter (offensive depth): -0.5 WAR (Worst in MLB)

Catcher: -,7 WAR (Fourth worst in MLB)

Relief Pitchers: -2.5 WAR (Second worst in MLB)

 

HOW IS HE STILL EMPLOYED?

Lol. The SS one feels more on the player (assuming TA accounts for most of that), but still, lol.

[reiks12]

2 hours ago, Snopek said:

Lol. The SS one feels more on the player (assuming TA accounts for most of that), but still, lol.

0 depth at the position

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, reiks12 said:

0 depth at the position

Quality depth, is more accurate.

Andrus, Romy, Erick Gonzalez, probably Sosa would be fourth option but it would be a stretch.

 

Starting to appreciate Danny Mendick's versatility more and more.  Same with Leury.

[reiks12]

12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Quality depth, is more accurate.

Andrus, Romy, Erick Gonzalez, probably Sosa would be fourth option but it would be a stretch.

So 0 depth, like i said

[South Side Hit Men]

1 hour ago, reiks12 said:

So 0 depth, like i said

Here is what they are looking at next year without significant trade deadline or off-season deals:

2024: $146.4M 25 Players + Add SP & Likely other replacements

• $10.5M Dead Money (0) (Leury $5.5M; Clevinger $4.0M; Lynn $1.0M; Diekman $1.0M).
• $30.3M Outfield (3) (Benintendi $17.1M; Robert Jr. $12.5M; Colas $0.7M)
• $40.2M Infield (4) (Moncada $24.8M; Anderson $14.0M #; Gonzalez $0.7M; Sosa $0.7M)
• $16.8M Designated Hitters/First Base/Faux OF (4) (Jimenez $13.8M; Vaughn $1.6M^; Sheets $0.7M; Burger $0.7M)
• $1.5M Catchers (2) (Savala $0.8M; Perez $0.7M)
• $32.6M Bullpen (8) (Hendriks $15.0M*; Graveman $8.0M; Bummer $5.5M; Lambert $1.2M; Foster $0.8M^; Santos $0.7M; Alexy/Banks/Padilla $1.4M - Two)
• $14.5M Starters (4) (Cease $8.0M^; Kopech $4.5M^; Crochet $1.3M^; Stiever $0.7M)

Injured Reserve/ Minor Leagues: Martin; Ramos; Rodriguez

• Note *: Can defer payments over several years and release.
• Note #: Anderson $1M team buyout option.
• Note^: Ballpark Arbitration Estimates for Vaughn; Crochet; Foster; Cease; Kopech.

 

2025: $35.1M Players (2 Players; 13 ML Minimum + 8 Arbitration Players): Benintendi $17.1M; Robert $15.0M; Eloy Buyout $3.0M. 

• Minimum + (13): Alexy; Banks; Burger; Colas; Gonzalez; Martin; Padilla; Perez; Ramos; Rodriguez; Santos; Sosa; Stiever.
• ARB 1 (2): Sheets; Zavala.
• ARB 2 (4): Crochet; Foster; Lambert; Vaughn
• ARB 3 (2): Cease; Kopech.

 

[baseball_gal_aly]

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by baseballgalaly

[reiks12]

9 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Here is what they are looking at next year without significant trade deadline or off-season deals:

2024: $146.4M 25 Players + Add SP & Likely other replacements

• $10.5M Dead Money (0) (Leury $5.5M; Clevinger $4.0M; Lynn $1.0M; Diekman $1.0M).
• $30.3M Outfield (3) (Benintendi $17.1M; Robert Jr. $12.5M; Colas $0.7M)
• $40.2M Infield (4) (Moncada $24.8M; Anderson $14.0M #; Gonzalez $0.7M; Sosa $0.7M)
• $16.8M Designated Hitters/First Base/Faux OF (4) (Jimenez $13.8M; Vaughn $1.6M^; Sheets $0.7M; Burger $0.7M)
• $1.5M Catchers (2) (Savala $0.8M; Perez $0.7M)
• $32.6M Bullpen (8) (Hendriks $15.0M*; Graveman $8.0M; Bummer $5.5M; Lambert $1.2M; Foster $0.8M^; Santos $0.7M; Alexy/Banks/Padilla $1.4M - Two)
• $14.5M Starters (4) (Cease $8.0M^; Kopech $4.5M^; Crochet $1.3M^; Stiever $0.7M)

Injured Reserve/ Minor Leagues: Martin; Ramos; Rodriguez

• Note *: Can defer payments over several years and release.
• Note #: Anderson $1M team buyout option.
• Note^: Ballpark Arbitration Estimates for Vaughn; Crochet; Foster; Cease; Kopech.

 

2025: $35.1M Players (2 Players; 13 ML Minimum + 8 Arbitration Players): Benintendi $17.1M; Robert $15.0M; Eloy Buyout $3.0M. 

• Minimum + (13): Alexy; Banks; Burger; Colas; Gonzalez; Martin; Padilla; Perez; Ramos; Rodriguez; Santos; Sosa; Stiever.
• ARB 1 (2): Sheets; Zavala.
• ARB 2 (4): Crochet; Foster; Lambert; Vaughn
• ARB 3 (2): Cease; Kopech.

 

Abslutely insane that that roster is worth 146 million

[South Side Hit Men]

58 minutes ago, reiks12 said:

Abslutely insane that that roster is worth 146 million

 

[WBWSF]

6 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

 

Former White Sox radio announcer Bob Elson once said  the only thing  Bill Veeck cared about was money.

[South Side Hit Men]

20 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Former White Sox radio announcer Bob Elson once said  the only thing  Bill Veeck cared about was money.

Anyone who spoke with Bill Veeck over the years knows that is a complete an utter lie.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

On 5/23/2023 at 1:39 PM, South Side Hit Men said:

 

The Sox have developed / signed many top pitchers over the years, but Larry Himes's prospects signed over four years were the only legitimate core signed and developed by the White Sox in the draft era. 

This is why White Sox fans can't have nice things.

Top Ten MLB Career bWAR Draft and Signed Players (Round & Year) by GM.

 

Rick Hahn (2013-2022)

• 17.6 T. Anderson (1 2013) - Starting SS 2023.
• 16.7 C. Rodon (1 2014) - 11.2 with the White Sox through 2021. Hahn declined QO.
• 3.8 A. Bummer (19 2014) - Set up reliever 2023.
• 3.1 A. Engel (19 2013) - Reserve OF post tanking. Released 2022. San Diego 2023. 
• 2.3 N. Madrigal (1 2018) - 0.6 after 83 games, Traded for Kimbrel.
• 1.6 A. Vaughn (1 2020) - Starting 1B 2023.
• 1.4 C. Heuer (6 2018) - Traded for Kimbrel 0.0. 0.8 post trade with 2021 Cubs.
• 1.2 J. Burger (1 2017) - Possible starting DH effective May 2023.
• 1.2 D. Mendick (22 2015) - Reserve INF, Mets AAA in 2023. Released 2022.
• 1.0 I. Hamilton (11 2016) - Waived 2020, claimed by Seattle.

Ken Williams (2001-2012)

• 46.0 C. Sale (1 2010) - 30.1 with White Sox. RH Trade Dec 2016 for Moncada 13.8 & Kopech 4.4.
• 37.5 M. Semien (6 2011) - RH Trade with Bassitt & Phegley 2.4 for Samardzjia 0.3 and Ynoa 0.2.
• 28.3 G. Gonzalez (1 2004) - Traded with Rowand for Jim Thome 12.1.
• 16.5 C. Young (16 2001) - Traded with El Duque for Javier Vazquez 12.1.
• 14.1 C. Bassitt (16 2011) - RH Trade - See Semien above.
• 10.0 B. McCarthy (17 2002) - Traded for Danks 20.4.
• 8.7 H. Santiago (30 2006) - 4.4 with Sox before RH Trade for Eaton (13.4 + 2016 Trade).
• 7.1 D. Hudson (5 2008) - Traded for Edwin Jackson 4.2.
• 6.9 R. Sweeney (2 2003) - Traded with Gio Gonzalez for Asshole Nick Swisher -0.2.
• 6.0 A. Reed (3 2010) - 1.1 w/ Sox before RH Trade for Matt Davidson -0.2.

Ron Schueler (1991-2000)

• 59.1 M. Buehrle (38 1998) - Awesome Sox career 48.7. KW Released 2011. 10.4 final 4 seasons.
• 46.7 M. Cameron (18 1991) - 5.9 before Trade to Reds for Paul Konerko 28.1.
• 20.9 A. Rowand (1 1998) - 12.7 before KW Trade with Gio Gonzalez 28.3 for Jim Thome 12.1
• 14.7 J. Crede (5 1996) - 12.4 before KW 2008 release. 2.3 with Twins in 2009 (Beckham 2.1).
• 10.1 C. Bradford (13 1996) - 0.0 before KW Trade for Miguel Olivo 2.2 + F. Garcia Trade.
• 9.9 M. Sirotka (15 1993) - 9.9 before KW Trade to Toronto for David Wells 1.3.
• 8.0 M. Guerrier (10 1999) - KW Trade to Pittsburgh for Damaso Marte 8.0.
• 8.0 K. Wells (1 1998) - 1.3 before KW Trade for Todd Ritchie -1.7.
• 7.6 B. Donnelly (27 1992) - Released April 16, 1993.
• 6.2 J. Rauch (3 1999) - -0.7 before KW Trade for Carl "Was, Not Was" Everett 2.2.

Larry Himes (1987-1990)

• 73.8 F. Thomas (1 1989) - 63.8 HOFer before jealous KW 2005 Release. 10.0 Oakland/Toronto.
• 56.1 R. Ventura (1 1988) - 39.4 over 10 seasons. RS Release 1998. 16.7 Final 7 seasons.
• 33.8 R. Durham (5 1990) - 21.4 over 8 seasons before KW Trade for J. Adkins 0.1.
• 28.5 A. Fernandez (1 1990) - 20.3 over 7 seasons. RS Released 1996. 5.9 & WS w/ Florida.
• 27.8 J. McDowell (1 1987) - 21.6 over 7 seasons before RS Trade for L. Mouton 1.9.
• 16.9 B. Wickman (2 1990) - RS Trade with Melido Perez 8.0 for Steve Sax -0.2.
• 9.3 J. Baldwin (4 1990) - 8.2 over 7 seasons before KW Trade for G. Majewski 0.0.
• 3.6 J. Borowski (32 1989) - RS Trade for Pete Rose II 0.0
• 3.3 J. Bere (36 1990) - 1.7 over 6 seasons before RS Released 1998.
• 1.4 J. Ruffin (4 1988) - RS Trade for Tim Belcher 0.5.

Ken Harrelson (1986)

• 6.4 S. Radinsky (3 1986) - 2.6 before RS 1995 Release.

Roland Hemond (1974-1985)

• 38.8 H. Baines (1 1977) - 22.2 first stint before LH Trade for Alverez 17.4, Fletcher 2.6, Sosa 1.1
• 29.2 D. Drabek (11 1983) - Trade for R. Smalley -0.1.
• 24.9 R. Velarde (19 1985) - LH Trade for S. Nielsen -0.9.
• 17.9 B. Burns (3 1978) - Enter MLB career with White Sox. KH Trade for 2.4 J. Cowley & Hassey.
• 16.4 P. Vuckovich (3 1974) - -0.4 before Drafted by Toronto in Expansion Draft.
• 14.6 R. Karkovice (1 1982) - Entire MLB career with White Sox. Released 1997.
• 13.4 S. Trout (1 1976) - 5.7 for 5 seasons before Trade for Scott Fletcher 10.5.
• 7.8 B. Thigpen (4 1985) - 8.4 over 8 seasons before RS Trade for Jose DeLeon 5.3.
• 6.2 D. Frost (18 1974) - 0.6 before Trade with Downing 43.2 for Richard Dotson 17.4.
• 5.1 R. Baumgarten (20 1977) - 6.0 before Trade for Vance Law 4.0 + Later B. James 3.0.

Stu Holcomb (1971-1973)

• 5.4 K. Kravec (3 1973) - 6.3 over six seasons before RH Trade for Dennis Lamp 6.1.
• 1.9 B. Sharp (2 1971) - 1.2 over three seasons before RH Trade for B. Coluccio -0.2
• 0.3 M. Squires (18 1973) - Entire career with the White Sox before RH 1985 Release.

Ed Short (1965-1970)

• 41.2 R. Gossage (9 1970) - 9.9 before RH Trade with Forster 7.5 for Richie Zisk 2.7.
• 20.4 T. Forster (2 1970) - 12.0 before RH Trade with R. Gossage 31.3 for Richie Zisk 2.7.
• 10.5 C. May (1 1966) - 10.1 before RH Trade  for K. Brett 4.9 & R, Coggins -0.9.
• 6.1 J. Hairston (3 1970) - Entire career except 1977 Pittsburgh (51 G) before LH 1989 Release.
• 5.9 L. Johnson (3 1968) - 6.1 over 8 seasons before 1981 Release.
• 3.0 K. Frailing (5 1966) - 0.6 over 2 seasons before RH Trade (with 3 others) for R. Santo -1.4.
• 1.6 P. Edmondson (21 1965) - 1 MLB season (14 games in 1969), 1969 Release.
• 0.3 B. Kimm (7 1969) - SH Trade with B. Miller -0.9 for Eddie Fischer 0.6.
• 0.2 D. O'Toole (6 1967) - 0.2 before RH Trade for J. Kremmel included in R. Santo trade -1.4.
• 0.1 J. Geddes (6 1970) - 1972-1973 MLB, played in minors until 1975.

I looked at your Vaughn bWAR of1.6 and thought wtf . He's not even close to that.

2021: .1

2022:  -.2

2023:  -.1

Total:  -.2

Try again. you're only 1.8 bWAR off

if you go by fWAR he's a  -1.1 , (-.3, -.5 and -.3 so far in 2023)

Edited May 26, 2023 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[The Kids Can Play]

23 hours ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said:

I was just thinking. The Sox should fire Rick Hahn

[Lip Man 1]

2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

Former White Sox radio announcer Bob Elson once said  the only thing  Bill Veeck cared about was money.

Jimmy Piersall told me the same thing when I interviewed him. Said Bill was a fraud. Sox historian Rich Lindberg felt the same way about him.

ML: I guess this is a good time to ask your thoughts on Bill Veeck. Too many Sox fans he was the Pied Piper for the common fan, he saved the franchise from moving to Seattle in December 1975 but others have suggested that the man the fans saw, was different from the man who tried to run the franchise. Is that a true statement?

JP: “I would say so. He was a fraud. He never had any money to run the team with. Harry didn’t like him either. One day he was talking with some people, I happened to be walking past, and I heard him say “(Eric) Soderholm just can’t play third base.” Another person then said, “Yea but who else are you going to be able to get?” That just about sums things up.