What, if any, trade value does Eloy have?

[TheFutureIsNear]

Not that I think it will actually happen, but trading Eloy might be the best way to get out of the log jam of bad corner OF/DH’s while still getting value back.
Key word being MIGHT. Think there are teams that would take a chance on Eloy returning to his potential and also give us anything of value back?

[southsider2k5]

We could sell low on him, but everyone else has seen his inability to stay on the field at the same he starts to get expensive  Not seeing teams line up for that.

[ChiSox59]

Not enough to trade him. 

[CentralChamps21]

A lot less than he had in November 2021, which is when they should have traded him.

[oldsox]

He needs a two game hot streak in Denver to inflate his value.  Who knows, the Rockies might like him.

[Chicago White Sox]

I think plenty of teams would take him, but the returns would likely be very minimal.

[tray]

Eloy is my favorite player on the WSox so if they trade him, I pretty much lose interest in the team in my final year.

[chw42]

Eloy did just hit 2 homers in his last 2 games. Granted they were on hangers, but we need to take home runs however we can get them. I think if he can actually stay on the field for these last 2.5 months, he has a chance at rebounding. You just have to hope he tries to pull the ball more so he can unlock more of his power. 

[southsider2k5]

18 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Eloy did just hit 2 homers in his last 2 games. Granted they were on hangers, but we need to take home runs however we can get them. I think if he can actually stay on the field for these last 2.5 months, he has a chance at rebounding. You just have to hope he tries to pull the ball more so he can unlock more of his power. 

He HAS  to play every day to have value.

[wegner]

32 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I think plenty of teams would take him, but the returns would likely be very minimal.

Selling low on Eloy would be very stupid....so I wonder what they'll get for him.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, wegner said:

Selling low on Eloy would be very stupid....so I wonder what they'll get for him.

If the Sox want a difference maker and to unclog the terrible roster construction there will be guy traded we all don't want traded. That includes Eloy , Vaughn, Crochet,Sosa, Vera Colas and Montgomery. Happ might be available without any of those guys included and maybe Martin Perez too. Those 2 guys can make an impact in starting pitching and the lineup if they don't regress from their current seasons.

The question with Eloy is and has always been can he stay healthy long enough to make a major impact. If he can't, then selling him at any point isn't that stupid and if he can make a major impact as a DH then where does Vaughn play ? LF I guess but that's not where he belongs. How long do we wait on Eloy to show he isn't made of glass ?

In his 1st 3 years (2019- 2021) with the Sox Eloy played in 232 of 384 games but in the last 2 years  (2021 and this year) he's played in 78 of a possible 258. Total so far 255 of 480 games. 1st 2 years, pretty good, last 2 years terrible.

If you think the Sox can win a World Series this year or next year without trading some guys that will hurt to trade more power to you. If you think the Sox can win the World Series as the core ages , gets more expensive and keeps getting injured while waiting for Colas Sosa, Popeye Rodriquez, Montgomery , Cespedes or waiting on Crochet to be an ace , again. more power to you. ( Not you Wegner but anyone who thinks keeping prospects for a vague future of mediocrity and certain guys who can't stay on the field and playing out of position is the way to go.)

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. There are no easy answers here. On top of that even if trades are made we don't even know who is charge of making them. Or who has the most input after JR. Is it Hahn, Williams, TLR , our esteemed analytics dept and scouting evaluators ? Total disaster any way you look at it.

[wegner]

6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

If the Sox want a difference maker and to unclog the terrible roster construction there will be guy traded we all don't want traded. That includes Eloy , Vaughn, Crochet,Sosa, Vera Colas and Montgomery. Happ might be available without any of those guys included and maybe Martin Perez too. Those 2 guys can make an impact in starting pitching and the lineup if they don't regress from their current seasons.

The question with Eloy is and has always been can he stay healthy long enough to make a major impact. If he can't, then selling him at any point isn't that stupid and if he can make a major impact as a DH then where does Vaughn play ? LF I guess but that's not where he belongs. How long do we wait on Eloy to show he isn't made of glass ?

In his 1st 3 years (2019- 2021) with the Sox Eloy played in 232 of 384 games but in the last 2 years  (2021 and this year) he's played in 78 of a possible 258. Total so far 255 of 480 games. 1st 2 years, pretty good, last 2 years terrible.

If you think the Sox can win a World Series this year or next year without trading some guys that will hurt to trade more power to you. If you think the Sox can win the World Series as the core ages , gets more expensive and keeps getting injured while waiting for Colas Sosa, Popeye Rodriquez, Montgomery , Cespedes or waiting on Crochet to be an ace , again. more power to you. ( Not you Wegner but anyone who thinks keeping prospects for a vague future of mediocrity and certain guys who can't stay on the field and playing out of position is the way to go.)

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place. There are no easy answers here. On top of that even if trades are made we don't even know who is charge of making them. Or who has the most input after JR. Is it Hahn, Williams, TLR , our esteemed analytics dept and scouting evaluators ? Total disaster any way you look at it.

My fear has always been that when the time comes to trade away guys to make that final push, and I know that will have to be done, Hahn will trade away the wrong guys.  I'm also hesitant to sell low on a guy.

I agree everything would have to go perfectly for this team as currently constructed to get to a World Series, let alone win one.

Unfortunately, I do fall in love with our prospects at times.  Hell I was pissed when they traded Steele Walker...I thought he was going to be a doubles machine playing great defense in RF for years. 

Obviously moves have to be made.  I just don't trust the current guys in charge to make the right ones.  But I hope they do.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

16 minutes ago, wegner said:

My fear has always been that when the time comes to trade away guys to make that final push, and I know that will have to be done, Hahn will trade away the wrong guys.  I'm also hesitant to sell low on a guy.

I agree everything would have to go perfectly for this team as currently constructed to get to a World Series, let alone win one.

Unfortunately, I do fall in love with our prospects at times.  Hell I was pissed when they traded Steele Walker...I thought he was going to be a doubles machine playing great defense in RF for years. 

Obviously moves have to be made.  I just don't trust the current guys in charge to make the right ones.  But I hope they do.

No one can be a doubles machine in our park. It isn't built for anything but singles and HR's. Only really fast guys with power or just really exceptional hitter who can get into both alleys and down the lines can get a decent amount of doubles in our park but you can be sure he'd also have a lot of doubles taken away too because of the small OF. Big OF parks with funky angles and high walls where crazy caroms can occur for doubles and triples are where you find  doubles and triples hitting guys. Colorado is a good example where we play next but with our guys jogging I'm not sure we'll hit any triples while we are there.

This is why Menechino as a hitting coach is just so absurd in our park. Extra base hits mean big innings but our park just isn't an extra base haven unless the ball goes over the wall.

Edited July 26, 2022 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[wegner]

2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

No one can be a doubles machine in our park. It isn't built for anything but singles and HR's. Only really fast guys with power can get a decent amount of doubles in our park but you can be sure he'd also have a lot of doubles taken away too because of the small OF. Big OF parks with funky angles and high walls where crazy caroms can occur for doubles and triples are where you find  doubles and triples hitting guys. Colorado is a good example where we play next but with our guys jogging I'm not sure we'll hit any triples while we are there.

This is why Menechino as a hitting coach is just so absurd in our park. Extra base hits mean big innings but our park just isn't an extra base haven unless the ball goes over the wall.

Hell that's why I was never a scout Cali ?

[wegner]

2 minutes ago, wegner said:

Hell that's why I was never a scout Cali ?

Pretty amazing that One Dog led the lead in triples 4 years in a row being our CF.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 minute ago, wegner said:

Hell that's why I was never a scout Cali ?

Ha well I never was either . Everyone here should be able to admit they've been wrong in player evaluations. Happen all the time to me. I actually liked the Mazara trade. At the time he was still young enough to give me hope he would get better and become a big HR hitter which we have always lacked from a LHH who could also field decently. Basically that trade has just been a nothing trade. No one was right at least so far.

[wegner]

4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Ha well I never was either . Everyone here should be able to admit they've been wrong in player evaluations. Happen all the time to me. I actually liked the Mazara trade. At the time he was still young enough to give me hope he would get better and become a big HR hitter which we have always lacked from a LHH who could also field decently. Basically that trade has just been a nothing trade. No one was right at least so far.

I've got no problem admitting being wrong about players....I'm still waiting for Carson Fulmer to be our next closer.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

17 minutes ago, wegner said:

Pretty amazing that One Dog led the lead in triples 4 years in a row being our CF.

 yea there's your extra speedy dude who could slash it into the gaps and down the line. Plus those 4 years he led the league he played in almost every game except 1994. Those 4 years he accumulated 12.1 fWar and a lot of that was defensive War. bWar has him at 15.4 WAR for those 4 years.

As a free agent he had his biggest fWar year 6.4 playing in a different park with the Mets ,that was more conducive to his talents.

Lance was Billy Hamiton who could hit a little bit and never struck out. Don't make them like that any more.

Edited July 26, 2022 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[wegner]

17 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

 yea there's your extra speedy dude who could slash it into the gaps and down the line. Plus those 4 years he led the league he played in almost every game except 1994. Those 4 years he accumulated 12.1 fWar and a lot of that was defensive War. bWar has him at 15.4 WAR for those 4 years.

As a free agent he had his biggest fWar year 6.4 playing in a different park with the Mets ,that was more conducive to his talents.

Lance was Billy Hamiton who could hit a little bit and never struck out. Don't make them like that any more.

Not enough fans appreciated how good Lance was.

[GreenSox]

Not much right now.  But, really, selling low (and buying high) is just not the best approach.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I think plenty of teams would take him, but the returns would likely be very minimal.

Yea we have no idea what other teams would give up for Eloy and you can't find out unless you ask. Would the Cubs take him for1.4 years of Ian Happ ? Would Oakland take him for2.4 yrs of Ramon Laureano ?  Would Tx. take him for .4  season of Martin Perez ? Would everyone hate those trades ? I think more people still are longing to have Eloy be something he might never be. The hitting potential is still intriguing but the injuries ruin his value. So what's the solution, hold onto him or trade him now before it gets even worse ? Even a short or continued burst of health is still just waiting until the next big injury and the Sox may never decide to just DH him.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

10 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Not much right now.  But, really, selling low (and buying high) is just not the best approach.

Sure but then when anyone's value is high no one wants them traded.

[South Side Hit Men]

6 hours ago, tray said:

Eloy is my favorite player on the WSox so if they trade him, I pretty much lose interest in the team in my final year.

Hope everything is OK with you Tray.

Found these on MLB Trade Values: https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/8571/

The Oakland trade looks both reasonable and interesting (Eloy & Crochet for Montas) among the four trades listed if the Sox are going for it this and next season.

[South Side Hit Men]

3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Ha well I never was either . Everyone here should be able to admit they've been wrong in player evaluations. Happen all the time to me. I actually liked the Mazara trade. At the time he was still young enough to give me hope he would get better and become a big HR hitter which we have always lacked from a LHH who could also field decently. Basically that trade has just been a nothing trade. No one was right at least so far.

I thought it was a good shot at the time, and even though he couldn't hit in the smallish sample of 42 games, I would have rather the Sox kept him on a similar deal he signed with Detroit ($1.75M) than what they ended up signing (Eaton).

He would be a huge upgrade both offensively and defensively, over Sheets this season.

Edited July 26, 2022 by South Side Hit Men

[tray]

10 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Hope everything is OK with you Tray.

Found these on MLB Trade Values: https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/8571/

The Oakland trade looks both reasonable and interesting (Eloy & Crochet for Montas) among the four trades listed if the Sox are going for it this and next season.

Thank you for your response. Not doing well after being diagnosed. I hope the Sox have a better year than most of us think they will.

I was hoping for an outfield with (alternating) Eloy/Pollock in Left, Robert/Engel in Center,  and Vaughn/Colas in RF.