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White Sox record by player starts:

  1. Josh Harrison +11 (40-29)
  2. Luis Robert +8 (42-34)
  3. Seby Zavala +7 (17-10)
  4. Yoan Moncada +7 (31-24) 
  5. Tim Anderson +6 (42-36)
  6. Eloy Jimenez +5 (18-13)
  7. Jose Abreu +4 (54-50)
  8. Reese McGwire +1 (24-23) Carmines
  9. Andrew Vaughn +1 (41-40)
  10. Gavin Sheets 0 (33-33)
  11. Lenyn Sosa -1 (1-2) Charlotte
  12. Adam Engel -2 (23-25)
  13. Danny Mendick -2 (12-14) Injured List
  14. Yasmani Grandal -3 (28-31)
  15. AJ Pollock -5 (34-39)
  16. Adam Haseley -5 (0-5) Charlotte
  17. Jake Burger -6 (19-25) Injured List
  18. Leury Garcia -8 (28-36)
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4 hours ago, chw42 said:

His slider has very little horizontal movement this year. In the last game he was getting on average just 3 inches of horizontal break on it. I'm not sure you can even call it a slider when it moves that little horizontally. It's honestly more of a cutter. 

He had way better movement on his slider last year. They might have tried tinkering with his slider this year cause they were suspicious that he was tipping the pitch. And it looks like he was. There was a 2 inch difference between his average slider release point vs. fastball release point. Most guys on the Sox have about a 1 inch difference between their release points for different pitches, some even less. Liam has almost no difference between his slider and fastball release point, which is probably how he gets so many guys to swing at his sliders way out of the zone. 

The problem with the tinkering is that there is still about the same difference in release point as last year, but now the shape of the pitch is worse.

It's crazy to me that Katz has gotten Cease to throw what is probably the best slider in the Majors this year, but Kopech's slider has heavily regressed. 

Individuals being so different has a lot to do with it. Teach the same grip, same arm angle, same mechanics but lots more goes into it. Like a change up some guys can throw it and others can't. Pressure points with different length fingers, how hard you grip it it, torque from how your wrist snaps, length of your arm and stride. Biomechanics is supposed to help with that stuff but we don't even know how sophisticated the Sox are compared to other teams.

Plus Cease build up his innings took a few years to get where he is now. Kopech brand new starter in MLB.

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White Sox Record by pitcher apperances

Starts

  1. Dylan Cease +12 (17-5)
  2. Vince Velasquez +2 (5-3) Injured List
  3. Lance Lynn +2 (6-4)
  4. Reynaldo Lopez +1 (1-0)  Injured List
  5. Johnny Cueto 0 (7-7)
  6. Dallas Keuchel -2 (3-5) DFA
  7. Jimmy Lambert -2 (0-2) Relief Pitcher
  8. Michael Kopech -3 (8-11)
  9. Davis Martin -3 (0-3) Charlotte
  10. Lucas Giolito -5 (7-12)

Relief Appearances

  1. Kendall Graveman +26 (36-10)
  2. Liam Hendriks +25 (31-6)
  3. Joe Kelly +10 (18-8)
  4. Aaron Bummer +4 (12-8) Injured List
  5. Davis Martin +2 (3-1) Charlotte
  6. Jake Diekman +2 (2-0)
  7. Reynaldo Lopez 0 (18-18) Injured List
  8. Johnny Cueto -1 (0-1) Starting Pitcher
  9. Josh Harrison -2 (0-2) Position Player
  10. Vince Velasquez -2 (2-4) Injured List
  11. Jimmy Lambert -3 (7-10)
  12. Ryan Burr -4 (2-6) DFA
  13. Bennett Sousa -5 (10-15) Charlotte
  14. Kyle Crick -6 (4-10) Injured List
  15. Anderson Severino -6 (0-6) Charlotte
  16. Jose Ruiz -7 (18-25)
  17. Tanner Banks -14 (7-21)
  18. Matt Foster -15 (14-29)
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34 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

White Sox record by player starts:

  1. Josh Harrison +11 (40-29)
  2. Luis Robert +8 (42-34)
  3. Seby Zavala +7 (17-10)
  4. Yoan Moncada +7 (31-24) 
  5. Tim Anderson +6 (42-36)
  6. Eloy Jimenez +5 (18-13)
  7. Jose Abreu +4 (54-50)
  8. Reese McGwire +1 (24-23) Carmines
  9. Andrew Vaughn +1 (41-40)
  10. Gavin Sheets 0 (33-33)
  11. Lenyn Sosa -1 (1-2) Charlotte
  12. Adam Engel -2 (23-25)
  13. Danny Mendick -2 (12-14) Injured List
  14. Yasmani Grandal -3 (28-31)
  15. AJ Pollock -5 (34-39)
  16. Adam Haseley -5 (0-5) Charlotte
  17. Jake Burger -6 (19-25) Injured List
  18. Leury Garcia -8 (28-36)

Weren't we like undefeated for awhile when Engel played? I know not starts (and he's a convenient late inning-er) but still seem him at -2 is surprising

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36 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

White Sox record by player starts:

  1. Josh Harrison +11 (40-29)
  2. Luis Robert +8 (42-34)
  3. Seby Zavala +7 (17-10)
  4. Yoan Moncada +7 (31-24) 
  5. Tim Anderson +6 (42-36)
  6. Eloy Jimenez +5 (18-13)
  7. Jose Abreu +4 (54-50)
  8. Reese McGwire +1 (24-23) Carmines
  9. Andrew Vaughn +1 (41-40)
  10. Gavin Sheets 0 (33-33)
  11. Lenyn Sosa -1 (1-2) Charlotte
  12. Adam Engel -2 (23-25)
  13. Danny Mendick -2 (12-14) Injured List
  14. Yasmani Grandal -3 (28-31)
  15. AJ Pollock -5 (34-39)
  16. Adam Haseley -5 (0-5) Charlotte
  17. Jake Burger -6 (19-25) Injured List
  18. Leury Garcia -8 (28-36)

Leury is the worst.  He is an integral part of the TLR Sunday lineups.

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