DirtySox Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) Colson on the list at 35. Also lists the next best prospect for each time at the end. Ramos for the White Sox. Quote 35. Colson Montgomery, SS, White Sox Age: 20 | Level: High-A Montgomery was a player many numbers-oriented draft rooms were low on due to the fact that he was already 19 years old as a prep prospect on draft day last summer. He went 22nd overall, at the low end of his expected range (I ranked him 13th), so kudos to the White Sox, whose hauls I historically haven't liked much at the time of the draft. He's still probably a third baseman long-term, but there's easy plus raw power and he has shown a better approach with more hit ability than many expected. If you want to imagine a best-case scenario: Though they aren't the same player, this is similar to what Gunnar Henderson's early returns were like. https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/34404296/kiley-mcdaniel-2022-midseason-top-50-mlb-prospects Edited August 16, 2022 by DirtySox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted August 16, 2022 Author Share Posted August 16, 2022 Interesting that Kiley assesses that he's most likely a 3B. Law seemed pretty high on him defensively as a SS I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Colson on the list at 35. Also lists the next best prospect for each time at the end. Ramos for the White Sox. https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/34404296/kiley-mcdaniel-2022-midseason-top-50-mlb-prospects With Colas entering Top 100s, this has got me kind of jazzed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 The progress the system has made this year has been huge. My hope is really that the reason we were dead at the break is because the franchise believes these guys are the real thing and they weren't willing to sell them short for short term gain. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The progress the system has made this year has been huge. My hope is really that the reason we were dead at the break is because the franchise believes these guys are the real thing and they weren't willing to sell them short for short term gain. I hate to add that we are at the higher end of our payroll and they will need some of these guys to come through while some of the longer term contracts escalate. I wouldn't be surprised to see some off season trades that change bodies but also probably drop salaries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: I hate to add that we are at the higher end of our payroll and they will need some of these guys to come through while some of the longer term contracts escalate. I wouldn't be surprised to see some off season trades that change bodies but also probably drop salaries. It will never happen, but I like the roster balance more if you do the following, which allows you to keep the payroll similar to this year without losing too much: - sign Conforto for LF - put Colas in RF - Eloy to DH, assuming Abreu is back - trade Vaughn and more for Jazz As for cutting salary, you know I’m on board for trading Yoan and putting Burger at 3rd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 7 hours ago, fathom said: It will never happen, but I like the roster balance more if you do the following, which allows you to keep the payroll similar to this year without losing too much: - sign Conforto for LF - put Colas in RF - Eloy to DH, assuming Abreu is back - trade Vaughn and more for Jazz As for cutting salary, you know I’m on board for trading Yoan and putting Burger at 3rd This is where you lose me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 On 8/17/2022 at 1:15 AM, Tony said: This is where you lose me. Lot of people on here eager to trade our most consistent bat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChiSoxJon said: Lot of people on here eager to trade our most consistent bat Ya we definitely have a lot more a Grandal problem than a Vaughn problem. Don’t know how much $ and/or prospects we’d have to include to get out of the last year of his deal, but that route should be explored before trading Vaughn. I think a LF/DH platoon of Vaughn and Eloy is more than sufficient if they are both hitting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 1 hour ago, ChiSoxJon said: Lot of people on here eager to trade our most consistent bat I understand where fathom is going with roster balance, filling out holes, getting this team more athletic...don't disagree with that. I also understand Vaughn is a 1B/DH which already lowers his value/impact on the field. Having said that, I don't like using a 24 year old cost-controlled bat to acquire another one. Additionally, Vaughn still has less than 1000 PA's in the ML and has shown a ton of improvement in Year 2. I expect him to continue that climb as he matures, I said last week I think Vaughn can put Mike Sweeney type numbers which would be just fine. I think I'd actually be more inclined to trade Eloy at this point than Vaughn. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 33 minutes ago, Tony said: I understand where fathom is going with roster balance, filling out holes, getting this team more athletic...don't disagree with that. I also understand Vaughn is a 1B/DH which already lowers his value/impact on the field. Having said that, I don't like using a 24 year old cost-controlled bat to acquire another one. Additionally, Vaughn still has less than 1000 PA's in the ML and has shown a ton of improvement in Year 2. I expect him to continue that climb as he matures, I said last week I think Vaughn can put Mike Sweeney type numbers which would be just fine. I think I'd actually be more inclined to trade Eloy at this point than Vaughn. Eloy won’t get you nearly as much back which is why people like fathom prefer moving Vaughn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Eloy won’t get you nearly as much back which is why people like fathom prefer moving Vaughn. Which also works in reverse...it speaks to the value Vaughn has, both to the Marlins...and the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 I’d keep Eloy and Vaughn and let Abreu walk. That’s the solution 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 50 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’d keep Eloy and Vaughn and let Abreu walk. That’s the solution Abreu is our best player and will likely come at a discount. As we saw with Rodon, letting guys coming off ~5 win seasons go who can be retained on short-term deals is usually bad business. I guess my question to you would be what are using the savings from not resigning Jose on? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Abreu is our best player and will likely come at a discount. As we saw with Rodon, letting guys coming off ~5 win seasons go who can be retained on short-term deals is usually bad business. I guess my question to you would be what are using the savings from not resigning Jose on? A left handed outfielder would be a good use of that $ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: A left handed outfielder would be a good use of that $ Brandon Nimmo is probably the only guy who fits the billing unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’d keep Eloy and Vaughn and let Abreu walk. That’s the solution Can you imagine how awful this offense would be without Jose? Edited August 19, 2022 by turnin' two 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, turnin' two said: Can you imagine how awful this offense would be without Jose? Letting their best hitter walk away to "fix" a problem would be the most White sox thing ever. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 3 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’d keep Eloy and Vaughn and let Abreu walk. That’s the solution Me too. Tough, but correct decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: Brandon Nimmo is probably the only guy who fits the billing unfortunately. Nimmo is solid and makes a lot of sense for the Sox if they want to finally stop ignoring holes in the outfield/lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 15 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Abreu is our best player and will likely come at a discount. As we saw with Rodon, letting guys coming off ~5 win seasons go who can be retained on short-term deals is usually bad business. I guess my question to you would be what are using the savings from not resigning Jose on? Savings? Jerry Reinsdorf likely isn’t spending any money without playoff revenue. If they bring back Abreu, I think this is essentially the team again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 13 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Letting their best hitter walk away to "fix" a problem would be the most White sox thing ever. Maybe but his presence creates roster issues. It’s too easy to say Vaughn/Abreu split DH/1B because Grandal and Eloy still exist. It just doesn’t fit. Vaughn should never play the outfield again but he will a lot if Abreu returns 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 They need to let Vaughn play and develop at 1B. Abreu would be perfect at DH but he will never agree to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Just now, SoxAce said: They need to let Vaughn play and develop at 1B. Abreu would be perfect at DH but he will never agree to do that. Then where does Eloy go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, fathom said: Then where does Eloy go Traded if it were up to me. But if he stays, LF and DH and just pray. Eloy is bubble wrap. He can play DH all season and still would get hurt running the bases or swinging in the batters box. Edited August 20, 2022 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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