fathom Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, SoxAce said: Traded if it were up to me. But if he stays, LF and DH and just pray. Eloy is bubble wrap. He can play DH all season and still would get hurt running the bases or swinging in the batters box. Sadly I don’t think anyone would take on his contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Maybe but his presence creates roster issues. It’s too easy to say Vaughn/Abreu split DH/1B because Grandal and Eloy still exist. It just doesn’t fit. Vaughn should never play the outfield again but he will a lot if Abreu returns Grandal shouldn't be factoring into this at all. Tony still pretending his bat is worthy of DHing exasperates so many of this teams roster construction issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, fathom said: Sadly I don’t think anyone would take on his contract I'm lower on Eloy than most, but he only has 24M in guarantees left on his contract. Literally every team in baseball would be willing to take that on. Edited August 20, 2022 by maxjusttyped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Just now, maxjusttyped said: I'm lower on Eloy than most, but he only has 23M in guarantees on his contract. Literally every team in baseball would be willing to take that on. And hes still only 25 and hitting well this season. They will bet on the potential with the bat. I just don't think he'll ever stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: I'm lower on Eloy than most, but he only has 24M in guarantees left on his contract. Literally every team in baseball would be willing to take that on. I need to look at his deal again, as I thought it was way more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Just now, SoxAce said: And hes still only 25 and hitting well this season. They will bet on the potential with the bat. I just don't think he'll ever stay healthy. Eloy's been playing on 1 leg all year and he has a 135 wRC+. His quality of contact metrics are outrageously good. Teams with modern hitting development would be dying to get their hands on him. Of course he has trade value, even if it's not as much as we'd all like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Just now, fathom said: I need to look at his deal again, as I thought it was way more than that. https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/white-sox This is what I'm going off of. I'm sure there are buyouts on those club options, but even an extra 5M isn't going to move the needle on his value at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 A good FO could do some things to reinvigorate the team in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 13 minutes ago, fathom said: I need to look at his deal again, as I thought it was way more than that. He's correct, 2025 and 2026 are club options. 2023 is 9.5 and 2024 is 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tony said: He's correct, 2025 and 2026 are club options. 2023 is 9.5 and 2024 is 13 If you’ve noticed, I never suggest they should trade Eloy. I just want them to put him at DH and let him bombs away with a new hitting coach. Maybe the Sox will get lucky and Cashman gets fired by the Yankees and they can make him the new GM. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 minute ago, fathom said: If you’ve noticed, I never suggest they should trade Eloy. I just want them to put him at DH and let him bombs away with a new hitting coach. Maybe the Sox will get lucky and Cashman gets fired by the Yankees and they can make him the new GM. I think Vaughn would benefit just as much if not more so from a modern hitting coach. He seems to be a product of the Sox middle-away approach more than any other hitter in the org. A hitter with plus raw power and a plus hit tool should never have the batted ball distribution Vaughn does this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: I think Vaughn would benefit just as much if not more so from a modern hitting coach. He seems to be a product of the Sox middle-away approach more than any other hitter in the org. A hitter with plus raw power and a plus hit tool should never have the batted ball distribution Vaughn does this year. I don’t disagree. A team like Toronto would love either guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 There will be other times to debate this, but keeping someone who will be 36 on Opening Day next year over a guy in their mid 20s like AV or Eloy would be so incredibly short sighted. How many years would you comfortably say he'll be a better hitter than both of those guys? Jose is already at a point where he could fall off a cliff at any time and it wouldn't be surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 25 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: . How many years would you comfortably say he'll be a better hitter than both of those guys? . Probably for the foreseeable future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulfly Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, fathom said: Then where does Eloy go Shot into the fucking sun. Or, what should have happened, was he should have been traded last off season. But Hahn is terrible at his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Maybe but his presence creates roster issues. It’s too easy to say Vaughn/Abreu split DH/1B because Grandal and Eloy still exist. It just doesn’t fit. Vaughn should never play the outfield again but he will a lot if Abreu returns Losing their best hitter because of a useless overpaid player is bad process. The only decision Grandal should be a factor in is his release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Back to prospects, I think Jose Rodriguez Is our best one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 1 hour ago, T R U said: Back to prospects, I think Jose Rodriguez Is our best one Interesting debate amongst Popeye, and Sosa. Popeye and Sosa are incredibly similar players -- Both went from never walking to reasonable approaches in AA (seriously, is Charlie Romero a thing?), both are better at 2b but can play ss, both have slightly above average tools but those play up cuz they're smart players. Popeye has more useable speed, Sosa has more raw power. They need to hold on to the right guy here. You'll recall the Sox had Saladino, Yolmer, and Semien all coming up together and... they chose poorly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnin' two Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 12 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Maybe but his presence creates roster issues. It’s too easy to say Vaughn/Abreu split DH/1B because Grandal and Eloy still exist. It just doesn’t fit. Vaughn should never play the outfield again but he will a lot if Abreu returns His presence isn't the problem. Its all the other guys that can neither hit nor field their position (Vaughn obviously isn't a problem either). Jose can hit and is at least competent in the field. Grandal can't do either. Why on Earth would you part ways with a good player for a terrible player? Well, I suppose, White Sox, that's why. Eloy, man. I don't know. I want to still love Eloy, but the one thing you know is that you can't count on him in any way. Again, replacing a guy that insists on playing everyday with a guy that can't run, swing, catch without hurting himself is bad policy. I can't say for sure, but he may also melt if he is left out in the rain, so that is something to consider as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 I am also very interested in Eloy's future with the team, but there's a whole thread about that. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?/topic/113066-eloy-is-dead-again/&page=6 I come to the future sox board to get away from all the disappointment with the mlb team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 On 8/19/2022 at 5:55 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said: I’d keep Eloy and Vaughn and let Abreu walk. That’s the solution I totally agree. And they should be working on a Vaughn extension right now. He’s going to be special for a long time. And letting Abreu walk solves a lot of issues defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 7 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: I totally agree. And they should be working on a Vaughn extension right now. He’s going to be special for a long time. And letting Abreu walk solves a lot of issues defensively. If he hasn't signed one by now, it isn't because the Sox didn't offer one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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