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Slobber House Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Oh....I thought this thread was todays boxscore and wrapup. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Like so many of this current group of players he seems to be injured every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Great he’ll be completely healthy for the meaningless games in September and a pleasant offseason with the fam. I am happy for him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 This really could have been about anything 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 3:39 PM, Lip Man 1 said: Like so many of this current group of players he seems to be injured every season. This isn’t remotely true. He has only missed a portion of the owner 60 game lockout season entering this year, since being called up for good as a 24 year old (2018). If anything, he may have been pushed too hard through 2019. Minor / Fall and MLB appearances 2017 58 Games 2018 68 Games 2019 63 Games 2020 9 Games (60 Game Season) 2021 62 Games 2022 20 Games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: This isn’t remotely true. He has only missed a portion of the owner 60 game lockout season entering this year, since being called up for good as a 24 year old (2018). If anything, he may have been pushed too hard through 2019. Minor / Fall and MLB appearances 2017 58 Games 2018 68 Games 2019 63 Games 2020 9 Games (60 Game Season) 2021 62 Games 2022 20 Games I don't have a complete search since I honestly don't know where to find it, but this is what I've found out of the Sox media guide including this season in his biographical section: 2015 - Minor leagues (missed entire year/elbow surgery) 2016- Minor leagues (on DL from June until 7/19) 2020- Bicep strain (on DL 8/8 to 9/24) 2021- Hamstring strain (on DL from 6/28 to 7/15) 2022- Knee strain (on DL from 5/7 to 5/22) 2022- Lat strain (on DL from 6/12 to ?????) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I don't have a complete search since I honestly don't know where to find it, but this is what I've found out of the Sox media guide including this season in his biographical section: 2015 - Minor leagues (missed entire year/elbow surgery) 2016- Minor leagues (on DL from June until 7/19) 2020- Bicep strain (on DL 8/8 to 9/24) 2021- Hamstring strain (on DL from 6/28 to 7/15) 2022- Knee strain (on DL from 5/7 to 5/22) 2022- Lat strain (on DL from 6/12 to ?????) I don’t have a database that amalgamates years across minor/Fall and Major league games, but would wager he was in the top 5-10% in relief appearances across “professional baseball” between 2017-2021. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bummer000aar He pitched in 62 games last year, really can’t expect much more than that over a season despite the 17 day IL stint across 162 games. He finished tied for 68th in appearances across The MLB. https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=0&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=6,d&page=2_50 One substantial injury (2020) over five seasons entering 2022 doesn’t constitute a player “injured every season”. Edited August 24, 2022 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 7 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: This isn’t remotely true. He has only missed a portion of the owner 60 game lockout season entering this year, since being called up for good as a 24 year old (2018). If anything, he may have been pushed too hard through 2019. Minor / Fall and MLB appearances 2017 58 Games 2018 68 Games 2019 63 Games 2020 9 Games (60 Game Season) 2021 62 Games 2022 20 Games It’s true. Last year he was on the IL from May through July, 2020 he missed the rest of the season after put on IL August 8, and this year has missed almost all season. I couldn’t find 2019 or 2018 injury history but I remember him being ouchy then as well. He is totally injury prone 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: I don’t have a database that amalgamates years across minor/Fall and Major league games, but would wager he was in the top 5-10% in relief appearances across “professional baseball” between 2017-2021. https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=bummer000aar He pitched in 62 games last year, really can’t expect much more than that over a season despite the 17 day IL stint across 162 games. He finished tied for 68th in appearances across The MLB. https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=0&season=2021&month=0&season1=2021&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2021-01-01&enddate=2021-12-31&sort=6,d&page=2_50 One substantial injury (2020) over five seasons entering 2022 doesn’t constitute a player “injured every season”. It’s three years in a row. Wash it however you want he is injury prone and always has been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 6 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s true. Last year he was on the IL from May through July, 2020 he missed the rest of the season after put on IL August 8, and this year has missed almost all season. I couldn’t find 2019 or 2018 injury history but I remember him being ouchy then as well. He is totally injury prone Liam is the only member of the White Sox with more appearances between 2017-2021. There are no more than a few dozen MLB pitchers with more appearances over the prior five seasons. Calling his track record between 2017-2021 as “injury prone” or “being ouchy” is a ludicrous take. Nearly every relief pitcher in The MLB would be considered “ouchy and injury prone” if appearing in an average of 60 games a 162 game season is considered below / substantially below expectations for pitcher availability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Liam is the only member of the White Sox with more appearances between 2017-2021. There are no more than a few dozen MLB pitchers with more appearances over the prior five seasons. Calling his track record between 2017-2021 as “injury prone” or “being ouchy” is a ludicrous take. Nearly every relief pitcher in The MLB would be considered “ouchy and injury prone” if appearing in an average of 60 games a 162 game season is considered below / substantially below expectations for pitcher availability. I called 2020-2022 as injury prone, and it was pointed out in the thread that he had season ending injuries in 16 and 15, so it’s pretty funny that you are like “HE WAS HEALTHY IN 2017-2021” even though he wasn’t even close to healthy in 2 of those 4 years but you do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I called 2020-2022 as injury prone, and it was pointed out in the thread that he had season ending injuries in 16 and 15, so it’s pretty funny that you are like “HE WAS HEALTHY IN 2017-2021” even though he wasn’t even close to healthy in 2 of those 4 years but you do you. No, both Lip and you said he always has been injury prone. 7 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: It’s three years in a row. Wash it however you want he is injury prone and always has been On 8/18/2022 at 3:39 PM, Lip Man 1 said: Like so many of this current group of players he seems to be injured every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: No, both Lip and you said he always has been injury prone. Three years in a row is injury prone. Five years out of eight is injury prone. Bummer is injury prone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Bummer was added to the 40 man roster July 27, 2017 as a 23 year old. Opening Day 2017 through yesterday: White Sox Appearance Leaders: 1. Bummer 213 2. Fry 162 3. Ruiz 160 MLB Appearance Leaders - Pitchers through Age 28: Bummer 12th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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