Polar Bear Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:27 AM, Buehrle>Wood said: Lol not true at all. Has a lot more success than Hahn ever will. Expand Not true. He was not handcuffed from day 1 like RH was. RH has had to be working with or get everything approved by KW. KW has had a hand in everything the Sox has done for the last 10 years and that includes some of twh worst trades and signing this organization has done. KW should be shit into the sun and never allowed to work in baseball again, that's how bad he was, is and has been 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ'S Cousin Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Don’t you guys see it, Hahn just looks for the trash nobody else wants and just prays for them to be reborn on the Sox. He has no conception how to trade and build a team. I don’t think he was dumb enough to think that all that money spend on the bullpen was the answer. Or is he that stupid? Maybe. Somebody else is influencing the lineup. Is it Williams? Is it TLR, or is it just Hahn. More importantly how can TLR STILL HAVE A JOB after ANOTHER intentional walk on a 1 and 2 count with 2 outs???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:42 AM, Balta1701 said: There are press people who said that the driving force in the Kelly acquisition was LaRussa. So while I don’t have any urge to let Hahn off the hook, I don’t want to let LaRussa off the hook for the bullpen signings either. Expand None of it matters. We're WELL beyond looking at 1-2 signings that "sunk" the team. The well is poisoned. The fruit has gone rotten. It ALL needs to go. We're well past slicing off part of the apple and saving the rest.....everything needs to go. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:46 AM, Polar Bear said: Not true. He was not handcuffed from day 1 like RH was. RH has had to be working with or get everything approved by KW. KW has had a hand in everything the Sox has done for the last 10 years and that includes some of twh worst trades and signing this organization has done. KW should be shit into the sun and never allowed to work in baseball again, that's how bad he was, is and has been Expand Funny typo but still works lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) On 8/20/2022 at 2:45 AM, GreenSox said: Yea, well that's why they signed him. This FO likes Leury and players like Leury. Rick Hahn's looking for the next Keppinger. Expand Elvis>>>>>>Leury at SS with the glove. Neither can hit their way out of a wet paper bag. Edited August 20, 2022 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:45 AM, GreenSox said: Yea, well that's why they signed him. This FO likes Leury and players like Leury. Rick Hahn's looking for the next Keppinger. Expand Well they did eat some salary when they released Keppinger so there is hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulfly Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) On 8/20/2022 at 2:46 AM, Polar Bear said: Not true. He was not handcuffed from day 1 like RH was. RH has had to be working with or get everything approved by KW. KW has had a hand in everything the Sox has done for the last 10 years and that includes some of twh worst trades and signing this organization has done. KW should be shit into the sun and never allowed to work in baseball again, that's how bad he was, is and has been Expand And yet he still put together one of the best teams to ever win the World Series. (modern era) Something Hahn will never come close to doing. Edited August 20, 2022 by soulfly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:38 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: What are you smoking ? While I applaud your bashing the low hanging rotten fruit like a pinata ,you say Hahn is pretty blameless because they , meaning who exactly, overspent on the bullpen ? Plus the world knew from last year they couldn't hit RHP and they still can't. They (Hahn) could've addressed that situation 3 times since the middle of 2021 and did nothing. While at some point they maxed out payroll the priorities were way out of wack. Let's let Rodon walk without a QO, Let's pick up Kimbrel's option and trade him and SURPRISE he was pretty untradeable but hey we got a 34yr old RIGHT HANDED HITTER! You're just as delusional about the cast of position players as Hahn is. Expand When you have a tiny budget you ain't getting shit on the FA market and trades are even harder. Bullpen is the easiest to get for cheap in FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:46 AM, Tony said: None of it matters. We're WELL beyond looking at 1-2 signings that "sunk" the team. The well is poisoned. The fruit has gone rotten. It ALL needs to go. We're well past slicing off part of the apple and saving the rest.....everything needs to go. Expand Might as well lose out to force the most possible changes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:49 AM, Polar Bear said: When you have a tiny budget you ain't getting shit on the FA market and trades are even harder. Bullpen is the easiest to get for cheap in FA Expand The Sox don't have a tiny budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:49 AM, fathom said: Might as well lose out to force the most possible changes Expand I'm to the point of openly rooting for losses. They need a wake up call. If they finish with fewer wins than the 2016 team hopefully that does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:49 AM, soulfly said: And yet he still put together one of the best teams to ever win the World Series. (modern era) Something Hahn will never come close to doing. Expand How many of those guys were hold overs from before him, a whole hell of a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) On 8/20/2022 at 2:48 AM, wegner said: Well they did eat some salary when they released Keppinger so there is hope. Expand Didn't Keppinger just quit? Lawrie, another impressive middle infielder from the annals of Hahn, quit. With his eye for veteran talent, no wonder Hahn was able to trade away Tatis and Semien. Speaking of salary, they aren't brining Pollock back, ffs, are they? Edited August 20, 2022 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:50 AM, Tony said: The Sox don't have a tiny budget. Expand They don't on total payroll but they do for individual players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:49 AM, fathom said: Might as well lose out to force the most possible changes Expand I would be fully on board with that IF I believed changes will happen. I find it hard to believe that TLR is back next year...but a new manager doesn't solve the issues. Will it help? Yes. Will it make the Sox a true World Series threat? Not a chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:49 AM, Polar Bear said: When you have a tiny budget you ain't getting shit on the FA market and trades are even harder. Bullpen is the easiest to get for cheap in FA Expand But we didn’t get it for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:51 AM, Jack Parkman said: They don't on total payroll but they do for individual players. Expand So do a lot of teams that are considered very successful and well-run franchises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:50 AM, Tony said: The Sox don't have a tiny budget. Expand They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season. Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA. The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) On 8/20/2022 at 2:53 AM, Polar Bear said: They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season. Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA. The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto) Expand What? Hahn fixed no holes and spent over $30 Million fixing no holes. What he did was quintessential Hahn: lazy and incompetent. Edited August 20, 2022 by GreenSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:53 AM, Polar Bear said: They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season. Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA. The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto) Expand What holes did he fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) On 8/20/2022 at 2:52 AM, Tony said: So do a lot of teams that are considered very successful and well-run franchises. Expand Those teams also have an analytics dept and farm system worth a damn, and they invest heavily in both. I still believe David Samson because it completely fits the MO of the org. My whole problem with Jerry is that he won't pick a damn lane. If you want to have a limit on individual player contracts, spending on analytics and scouting is a must. They have a 194M payroll this year, and I wouldn't mind if it was $170M if they took that extra $25M and invested it properly into baseball ops. As an owner, you can't have a limit on player contracts and be the most frugal org in the game in scouting, player development, and analytics. Edited August 20, 2022 by Jack Parkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:54 AM, GreenSox said: What? Hahn fixed no holes and spent over $30 Million fixing no holes. Expand We needed a SP and he got Cueto. He also jettisoned Kimbrel and his horrible contract for outfield help in Pollock. Harrison hasn't been a good signing but not even as close to as bad as Leury was but JR, KW, and TLR love Leury so they had to have him back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:53 AM, Polar Bear said: They had one of the smallest FA budgets in baseball this season. Whne you at like 180 million and van only add 20 million you can't fix anything in FA. The fact that Hahn managed to fix a couple holes with that little of a FA budget is amazing (Cueto) Expand According to Spotrac, the Sox sit at 7th in payroll at 196 million in payroll. I don't want to break any news to you, but Rick Hahn has been at the helm for over a decade. Yes, we'd all like the Sox to FINALLY sign a high priced, prized FA. But the payroll isn't a "problem", there are 20+ teams that would kill for the payroll the Sox have right now. Rick just doesn't know how to build a Championship contender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 On 8/20/2022 at 2:54 AM, PorkChopExpress said: What holes did he fix? Expand On 8/20/2022 at 2:56 AM, Polar Bear said: We needed a SP and he got Cueto. He also jettisoned Kimbrel and his horrible contract for outfield help in Pollock. Harrison hasn't been a good signing but not even as close to as bad as Leury was but JR, KW, and TLR love Leury so they had to have him back Expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted August 20, 2022 Share Posted August 20, 2022 Tony looks like he is on the verge of death after these games in the post-game interviews. He mumbles, gets confused, and looks out of it. Great fucking hire JR. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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