Bob Sacamano Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Muncy would be a huge get and Wong a obvious fit (good D and LH). I also like Diaz as a better UTL Muncy signed an extension yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Muncy just signed an extension, so he's off the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 The problem with Harrison is, he is past his prime. He is 35 years old. That has been Hahn's flawed theme since last year. He added all these older players past their better years since last year: Harrison 35 Diekman 35 Kelly 34 Pollack 34 The only good addition to the roster older was Cueto at 36. The fact is, we are in year 6 of the rebuild. We are going backwards instead of forwards. If Hahn and his front office would have drafted and developed the minor leagues better, maybe we could have been adding younger players from the minors each year to add to the roster. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: The problem with Harrison is, he is past his prime. He is 35 years old. That has been Hahn's flawed theme since last year. He added all these older players past their better years since last year: Harrison 35 Diekman 35 Kelly 34 Pollack 34 The only good addition to the roster older was Cueto at 36. The fact is, we are in year 6 of the rebuild. We are going backwards instead of forwards. If Hahn and his front office would have drafted and developed the minor leagues better, maybe we could have been adding younger players from the minors each year to add to the roster. You take your logic and get the fuck out of here. No room for that in White Sox land. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: The problem with Harrison is, he is past his prime. He is 35 years old. That has been Hahn's flawed theme since last year. He added all these older players past their better years since last year: Harrison 35 Diekman 35 Kelly 34 Pollack 34 The only good addition to the roster older was Cueto at 36. The fact is, we are in year 6 of the rebuild. We are going backwards instead of forwards. If Hahn and his front office would have drafted and developed the minor leagues better, maybe we could have been adding younger players from the minors each year to add to the roster. Look at what the Astros have done by supplementing their core with young talent. That's how they've maintained their success past just the initial core. They added one of the best left handed bats in baseball in 2019 with Yordan Alvarez. They lost Springer after 2020, no problem, Kyle Tucker replaced him with ease. They lost Carlos Correa this year and his replacement, Pena, has been just as productive as Correa this year. The Astros are running similar payrolls the Sox are. Yet they're a way better team because they continually get contributions from their farm system and they spend their money way more wisely in free agency. Michael Brantley has given them more value than just about every Rick Hahn free agency signing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tony said: You take your logic and get the fuck out of here. No room for that in White Sox land. Wondering what season you have been watching? I guess according to your analysis everything is just hunky dory. All the key components to a winning playoff club are solid and all checked off: Great Manager Great coaching staff Players staying healthy and not getting injured Players performing to their abilities and expectations Front office making great signing and trades Developing plenty of yearly talent with a winning farm system Consistent clutch hitting with RISP Consistent home run production Great defensive team Strong and consistent starting rotation Bullpen that always comes through and doesn't blow leads Hey pal, I feel your pain as a lifelong diehard Sox fan myself. This has been an extremely frustrating year. However to sugarcoat this flawed organization and be blinded to the fact that Reinsdorf, Hahn, TLR and the players have done a horrible job and everything will be fine...is purely delusional. It's ok to be a huge fan, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the club on the sad facts of the matter. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, chw42 said: Look at what the Astros have done by supplementing their core with young talent. That's how they've maintained their success past just the initial core. They added one of the best left handed bats in baseball in 2019 with Yordan Alvarez. They lost Springer after 2020, no problem, Kyle Tucker replaced him with ease. They lost Carlos Correa this year and his replacement, Pena, has been just as productive as Correa this year. The Astros are running similar payrolls the Sox are. Yet they're a way better team because they continually get contributions from their farm system and they spend their money way more wisely in free agency. Michael Brantley has given them more value than just about every Rick Hahn free agency signing. You are exactly right on! Additionally go look at another successful yearly winning team Tampa Bay. They do it with even less payroll than the Sox, Astros or the other great teams. They don't have the luxury of spending huge money on free agents and actually have to develop their players from the minors or make great trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: Wondering what season you have been watching? I guess according to your analysis everything is just hunky dory. All the key components to a winning playoff club are solid and all checked off: Great Manager Great coaching staff Players staying healthy and not getting injured Players performing to their abilities and expectations Front office making great signing and trades Developing plenty of yearly talent with a winning farm system Consistent clutch hitting with RISP Consistent home run production Great defensive team Strong and consistent starting rotation Bullpen that always comes through and doesn't blow leads Hey pal, I feel your pain as a lifelong diehard Sox fan myself. This has been an extremely frustrating year. However to sugarcoat this flawed organization and be blinded to the fact that Reinsdorf, Hahn, TLR and the players have done a horrible job and everything will be fine...is purely delusional. It's ok to be a huge fan, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the club on the sad facts of the matter. I think Tony was being sarcastic and agreeing with you and mocking the org at the same 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: Wondering what season you have been watching? I guess according to your analysis everything is just hunky dory. All the key components to a winning playoff club are solid and all checked off: Great Manager Great coaching staff Players staying healthy and not getting injured Players performing to their abilities and expectations Front office making great signing and trades Developing plenty of yearly talent with a winning farm system Consistent clutch hitting with RISP Consistent home run production Great defensive team Strong and consistent starting rotation Bullpen that always comes through and doesn't blow leads Hey pal, I feel your pain as a lifelong diehard Sox fan myself. This has been an extremely frustrating year. However to sugarcoat this flawed organization and be blinded to the fact that Reinsdorf, Hahn, TLR and the players have done a horrible job and everything will be fine...is purely delusional. It's ok to be a huge fan, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the club on the sad facts of the matter. I think Tony was being sarcastic and agreeing with you and mocking the org at the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 37 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said: Wondering what season you have been watching? I guess according to your analysis everything is just hunky dory. All the key components to a winning playoff club are solid and all checked off: Great Manager Great coaching staff Players staying healthy and not getting injured Players performing to their abilities and expectations Front office making great signing and trades Developing plenty of yearly talent with a winning farm system Consistent clutch hitting with RISP Consistent home run production Great defensive team Strong and consistent starting rotation Bullpen that always comes through and doesn't blow leads Hey pal, I feel your pain as a lifelong diehard Sox fan myself. This has been an extremely frustrating year. However to sugarcoat this flawed organization and be blinded to the fact that Reinsdorf, Hahn, TLR and the players have done a horrible job and everything will be fine...is purely delusional. It's ok to be a huge fan, but that doesn't mean we can't criticize the club on the sad facts of the matter. I'm saying your point was logical, but that doesn't fly when it comes to the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tony said: I'm saying your point was logical, but that doesn't fly when it comes to the White Sox. Ok my bad! Sorry about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Feels like in 2021 sox were able to bring up some older prospects who were amply ready for bigs and contributed outsized efforts compared to their expectations in Burger, Sheets (even Gonzalez). We see that in Davis Martin too this year. That depth was mature, but position-limited. This led to sox overvaluing them, keeping them as depth. This year we've had to bring up younger, more promising prospects who were less able to contribute right away. This scares me, because it reminds me of 2014/15. Sosa's rise this year reminds many of when Semien popped up. When Semien came up in 2014 he had pop, but inconsistent offensively and defensively. The sox, knowing that they are unable to develop players, shipped him out to prioritize TA, as they did with micah johnson. The sox clearly feel very uncomfortable anytime a younger prospect is adjusting when in ostensibly competitive windows. But feel extremely comfortable anytime a player who had shown any small period of success in the MLB is "slumping". Point being, the way you make a 180 million payroll pointless is filling it up with depth signings like throwing $6 mill to try and get 1 WAR here and there. You have to have a system that can get one of Sosa, Romy or Jose Rodriguez next year to 1-2 WAR. That requires actually developing defense at some point, to buoy the transition. Because the chance is also there, that one of these guys becomes much better than that. But what may very likely happen is Hahn "trades from depth", where he tells people what he's willing to give up and then gets the best piece he can find. I would bet we treat Colson like TA, and rightfully so imo. But...I'm worried we are going to trade sosa/jrod/etc for an older, average RF/SP that is making close to market value, and we'll have given up a future starter +. just like always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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