caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, bmags said: I think Chaim Bloom will be available! Personally I'd go after a Braves FO. I think most of this board was a fan of Anthropolous in TOR, but then he learns in LA and takes over in ATL has pushed all the right buttons. Granted, he didn't build ATL up from scratch. But ATL is the one other org you can look at and see a successful version of what the sox can be. The Rays can't be recreated exactly with the sox, as they get additional top 40 draft picks and an extra million in INTL money every year. The dodgers have a front office probably 3x the white sox, and an easy $300 mil. But the sox can look at the braves and be like "why the hell are they so much better than us so often" and should be embarrassed. We have similar revenue (or did before battery park), similar competitive rules, and have been way less competitive for the last 40 years. At least be the Brewers or Mariners, and ideally, Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 40 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I do agree on the latter. He came out of no where and kind of had a junkballer delivery which fooled people for a while IIRC> Like Takatsu as well... Boiling Sox failures down is easily summarized by a decade of first rounders not named Sale/Anderson, almost all Hahn free agency and intl free agents outside Cuba, especially the DR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: At least be the Brewers or Mariners, and ideally, Cardinals. 2/3 teams get extra team building resources than the Sox do, and then congrats you named a team the Sox have been more successful than as a team to emulate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, bmags said: 2/3 teams get extra team building resources than the Sox do, and then congrats you named a team the Sox have been more successful than as a team to emulate. So comparing them to Baltimore doesn't work because they haven't made the playoffs yet EITHER? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 hours ago, bmags said: I think Chaim Bloom will be available! Personally I'd go after a Braves FO. I think most of this board was a fan of Anthropolous in TOR, but then he learns in LA and takes over in ATL has pushed all the right buttons. Granted, he didn't build ATL up from scratch. But ATL is the one other org you can look at and see a successful version of what the sox can be. The Rays can't be recreated exactly with the sox, as they get additional top 40 draft picks and an extra million in INTL money every year. The dodgers have a front office probably 3x the white sox, and an easy $300 mil. But the sox can look at the braves and be like "why the hell are they so much better than us so often" and should be embarrassed. We have similar revenue (or did before battery park), similar competitive rules, and have been way less competitive for the last 40 years. I would love to have Chaim Bloom being he is from the TB tree. However he is already the top baseball executive at Boston. Why would he make a lateral move to go to our Sox that would spend less money than his current team? Plus Boston has a much more developed farm system #11 vs Sox #26. We need to find a GM in a successful organization and give him an incentive to move to Chicago to be the top dog president from their current GM spot. My only comparison to TB and LA was not to have the Sox be exactly like them, but to hire a successful executive from those two clubs. The point is the people from the Andrew Friedman tree are very successful. I realize Friedman would not come to the Sox. Yet is there anyone who doesn't think that if he was in charge of the White Sox he couldn't make the Sox a major championship caliber team? He did with two completely different club structures. Whether he had the money or not to spend, Friedman built winners at both clubs and both clubs also had top notch farm systems. Finding someone under his executive tree makes good sense. There are obviously other clubs that we could recruit from including Atlanta as you suggest. However the bottom line is we need to go to the outside and get someone from a consistent winning organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 57 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: So comparing them to Baltimore doesn't work because they haven't made the playoffs yet EITHER? Baltimore is a competitive balance team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, The Kids Can Play said: I would love to have Chaim Bloom being he is from the TB tree. However he is already the top baseball executive at Boston. Why would he make a lateral move to go to our Sox that would spend less money than his current team? Plus Boston has a much more developed farm system #11 vs Sox #26. We need to find a GM in a successful organization and give him an incentive to move to Chicago to be the top dog president from their current GM spot. My only comparison to TB and LA was not to have the Sox be exactly like them, but to hire a successful executive from those two clubs. The point is the people from the Andrew Friedman tree are very successful. I realize Friedman would not come to the Sox. Yet is there anyone who doesn't think that if he was in charge of the White Sox he couldn't make the Sox a major championship caliber team? He did with two completely different club structures. Whether he had the money or not to spend, Friedman built winners at both clubs and both clubs also had top notch farm systems. Finding someone under his executive tree makes good sense. There are obviously other clubs that we could recruit from including Atlanta as you suggest. However the bottom line is we need to go to the outside and get someone from a consistent winning organization. Because people hate him there and he may be fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, bmags said: Because people hate him there and he may be fired. Well if you are referring to the fans hating him, then as we know here in White Sox land, that doesn't amount to anything. However if the John Henry decided to fire him, then by all means I would love Bloom as an option. I would still try to recruit a TB or LAD guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 hours ago, bmags said: I think Chaim Bloom will be available! Personally I'd go after a Braves FO. I think most of this board was a fan of Anthropolous in TOR, but then he learns in LA and takes over in ATL has pushed all the right buttons. Granted, he didn't build ATL up from scratch. But ATL is the one other org you can look at and see a successful version of what the sox can be. The Rays can't be recreated exactly with the sox, as they get additional top 40 draft picks and an extra million in INTL money every year. The dodgers have a front office probably 3x the white sox, and an easy $300 mil. But the sox can look at the braves and be like "why the hell are they so much better than us so often" and should be embarrassed. We have similar revenue (or did before battery park), similar competitive rules, and have been way less competitive for the last 40 years. Everyone with the Sox right now gets a promotion up the ladder and not fired. Chris Getz will be the next GM. Jim Leyland unretires and is hired as manager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, bmags said: Baltimore is a competitive balance team. That's still a lot closer comp than the Dodgers or other Top 4-5 payroll teams. Besides the fact we could have been a lot more like one if we'd QO'ed Rodon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 hour ago, RibbieRubarb said: Everyone with the Sox right now gets a promotion up the ladder and not fired. Chris Getz will be the next GM. Jim Leyland unretires and is hired as manager Haber would be over Getz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) https://www.si.com/mlb/guardians/news/cleveland-guardians-announce-2022-developmental-staff-assignments Following is Cleveland's 2022 player development staff. Field coordinator: John McDonald. Assistant field coordinator: Anthony Medrano. ... Triple-A Columbus. Manager: Andy Tracy. ... Double-A Akron. Manager: Rouglas Odor. ... High-A Lake County. Manager: Greg DiCenzo. ... Low-A Lynchburg. Manager: Omir Santos. ... Arizona Complex League. Jennifer Wolf - Assistant Director, Player Development - Life Skills Assistant Director, Player Development - Life Skills. Cleveland Guardians Georgetown University - The McDonough School of Business. Ilana Mishkin - Assistant Director, Player Development - LinkedIn Ilana Mishkin · Assistant Director, Player Development at Cleveland Guardians Edited August 25, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said: I would love to have Chaim Bloom being he is from the TB tree. However he is already the top baseball executive at Boston. Why would he make a lateral move to go to our Sox that would spend less money than his current team? Plus Boston has a much more developed farm system #11 vs Sox #26. We need to find a GM in a successful organization and give him an incentive to move to Chicago to be the top dog president from their current GM spot. No quality GM will come here until Jerry is dead, and the next ownership group is established. Only the desperate would step into this situation, especially if La Russa is here in some capacity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) https://www.si.com/mlb/guardians/opinion/cleveland-guardians-are-in-good-company-in-modern-mlb-era Guardians also the youngest team in baseball…pretty sure KC was also #3 or #4 in that category. Key match up with Seattle continues this weekend. https://www.mlb.com/video/guardians-keys-to-success Edited August 26, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 16 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: No quality GM will come here until Jerry is dead, and the next ownership group is established. Only the desperate would step into this situation, especially if La Russa is here in some capacity. Sadly you might be right. I guess until Jerry dies and some successful billionaire buys this team, which probably with our luck, will take way too many years, our Sox will continue to field underachieving and mediocre teams. What a pathetic and dismal future for die-hard Sox fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 If Hahn tries a power play and losses I could easily see a scenario where Getz steps into Haber's role of running the day to day operations and Kenny takes control of the 40 man. I don't think Reinsdorf will hire anyone from outside the organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.si.com/mlb/guardians/opinion/cleveland-guardians-are-in-good-company-in-modern-mlb-era Guardians also the youngest team in baseball…pretty sure KC was also #3 or #4 in that category. Key match up with Seattle continues this weekend. https://www.mlb.com/video/guardians-keys-to-success How are they winning without a $95M 7th-9th inning bullpen? Hendriks $54M Graveman $24M Kelly $17M Edited August 26, 2022 by South Side Hit Men Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 20 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Haber would be over Getz... Either way...its promotion from within and business as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 26, 2022 Author Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: If Hahn tries a power play and losses I could easily see a scenario where Getz steps into Haber's role of running the day to day operations and Kenny takes control of the 40 man. I don't think Reinsdorf will hire anyone from outside the organization. As long as he doesn't care at all about attendance next season. I guess most fans would indiffernt to Williams. It's TLR and Hahn that are far and away the most polarizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: If Hahn tries a power play and losses I could easily see a scenario where Getz steps into Haber's role of running the day to day operations and Kenny takes control of the 40 man. I don't think Reinsdorf will hire anyone from outside the organization. There is no evidence to think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 I’ve heard rumblings that Jeff Lunhow is thinking about getting back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) Luhnow. The 24-year-old Oscar Gonzalez, who debuted on May 26, has the best offensive numbers of any player we haven’t already named to a starting spot, and he’s seen some time at DH this year (in addition to right field) for the Guards. Listed at 6-foot-4, 240 pounds, Gonzalez is an imposing presence who has made his presence known early, with a .303/.329/.478 slash line and 25 extra-base hits in his first 210 plate appearances. Gonzalez wasn’t ranked as a prospect and wasn’t protected from the Rule 5 Draft (that didn’t end up happening) last year, but he’s been impressive. Left field: Steven Kwan, Guardians The 24-year-old Kwan wasn’t widely cited as a top prospect to watch going into 2022, but he made Cleveland’s Opening Day roster and instantly made history, becoming the first player since at least 1901 to reach base safely 15 times in his first four games and the first since at least 2000 to go 116 pitches without a swing-and-miss. We’ve seen many players debut with some kind of historical oddity and quickly fade into oblivion. Not so with Kwan. With an approach not all that unlike that of Ichiro, Kwan has made the necessary adjustments as this season has rolled along and been an important leadoff presence for the first-place Guards’ high-contact lineup, with a .298/.371/.393 slash line. He’s been an excellent defender in left, too, as evidenced Friday, when he pulled a Derek Jeter with a swan dive (Kwan dive?) into the stands. mlb.com Edited August 28, 2022 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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