Dominikk85 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 A lot of negative talk about hahn about his free agent signings and inaction but I think a positive thing have been his trades. He obviously did great in the selling trades for prospects during the rebuild and while some of the guys he traded for flopped none of the guys he gave up (after tatis) really seems to become a big league factor. Some examples: Lynn trade:dunning is not doing terrible at a 4 era but his fb velo is down to 89 and his k rate a lame 20%, he doesn't seem to be much and weems has a 5 era in AA. Mazara trade: Mazara failed but steele walker was DFAed twice since then Kimbrel trade: madrigal continued to get injured and doubled his k rate while still hitting for no power. Cesar hernandez trade: pilkington is looking pretty mediocre so far, maybe he is a 5th starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hang Wiffem Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Yes, gotta give credit where it's due on trading for Mazara, Kimbrel, and Hernandez 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 The White Sox also traded Omar Narvaez for a closer who cost them over $10 million in '19-20. While he's been hurt for some time this year, Narvaez has been worth 6.4 fWAR since the White Sox traded him. Since then, the White Sox added Grandal who has been worth 4.7 fWAR in the 3 years after being signed - but he's also being paid $18.25 million for it. Although 2020 messed with the totals and Narvaez would probably have not performed as well without the trades due to the quality of White Sox coaching (grumble), basically this one trade added $80 million to the White Sox's payroll, and it seems likely the gap between the two catchers will widen in coming years. While you address several guys not being useful after being traded, you also skipped the money that the White Sox took on in those deals. Mazara - took on Money. Cesar - took on money as well. Kimbrel - took on a ton of money and then doubled down on it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Rick, is that you?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 He Who Shall Not Be Named. When you traded a guy with that handle, you know you must be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Giving credit for acquiring bad players because he also traded away bad players is an impressively low bar. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spumoni Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Rick has done well only when he had all the leverage in the world with the Sale, Eaton and Quintana trades. Not exactly impressive. Beyond those, I am hard-pressed to think of anything he has done to actually improve the ball-club. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, Snopek said: Giving credit for acquiring bad players because he also traded away bad players is an impressively low bar. This. "His trading track record isn't all that bad because he hasn't traded anyone of consequence except for Tatis, which now we know he's on roids" So can we at least admit Hahn does nothing at his job to make this team better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, hi8is said: He Who Shall Not Be Named. When you traded a guy with that handle, you know you must be bad. Reinsdorf will probably say they dodged a bullet with that albatross of a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 This also speaks to the absolute crap that this farm system has produced. I suppose good on Hahn for getting of those guys...but as others have said, this is a big time stretch to consider the moves Rick has made over the last year+ a "positive" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, SoxAce said: Reinsdorf will probably say they dodged a bullet with that albatross of a contract. Same guy who also says firing TLR was the biggest mistake of his life. Oof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonofaRoache Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 What in the world is OP talking about? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 ITT: A Sox fan trying desperately to find some semblance of a silver lining. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Tony said: This also speaks to the absolute crap that this farm system has produced. I suppose good on Hahn for getting of those guys...but as others have said, this is a big time stretch to consider the moves Rick has made over the last year+ a "positive" "Hahn drafted Madrigal #4 overall and traded him away before he became terrible. This sequence of moves is a positive for Rick Hahn." does seem like it's kinda ignoring part of the story, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, hi8is said: He Who Shall Not Be Named. When you traded a guy with that handle, you know you must be bad. I always contend that the worst part about that is that he was thrown in to that trade for no discernible reason. Shields had been called out by the owner of the Padres....Erik Johnson should have been more than enough to give up for Shields. To have to throw in anyone else is ridiculous....that Hahn threw in a lottery ticket that happened to be a powerball winner is quite comical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 51 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: "Hahn drafted Madrigal #4 overall and traded him away before he became terrible. This sequence of moves is a positive for Rick Hahn." does seem like it's kinda ignoring part of the story, doesn't it? Then he doubled down by activating that Kimbrel option and then found he had very little value....luckily he found the Dodgers to unload Pollock on us. If Pollock does not opt out, the stupidity of that initial trade looks even worse imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossanoveralls Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 I won't be defending Hahn. But I will say this. When you throw a brick in the hog lot, the one that squeals is the one you hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 It's seriously time to question the Sale and Eaton deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It's seriously time to question the Sale and Eaton deals. Eaton deal definitely was great even though giolito is struggling. Eaton produced 4 war in his first 2 years after the trade (and negative war since then) and giolito produced 12 war so far and dunning got them lance lynn who had been mostly good. The eaton deal was one of the greatest trades ever probably. The sale deal you can question but really you get a starter im kopech plus moncada had been an above average player until he fell apart unexpectedly. I think at the time that was a great return. The one thing I would hold against hahn was that he didn't trade away some guys before they became zero value guys. Maybe he overestimated the quality of the sox player dev and hoped they would get better but he probably could have traded guys like basabe, Rutherford and others for something (even if it is only a relief arm) before they lost all value. But on the other hand that also meant he kept the good guys like vaughn instead of trading them when their value was lower so I guess that is a good thing. The big issue was that the sox system produced so little depth outside the blue chip guys, they never really developed a 100k international guy or a 5th rounder into something so hahn didn't really have much to work with. But to his credit he did keep the right guys even if it meant keeping many of the wrong guys who then went on to zero value. Edited August 25, 2022 by Dominikk85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 23 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said: Eaton deal definitely was great even though giolito is struggling. Eaton produced 4 war in his first 2 years after the trade (and negative war since then) and giolito produced 12 war so far and dunning got them lance lynn who had been mostly good. The eaton deal was one of the greatest trades ever probably. The sale deal you can question but really you get a starter im kopech plus moncada had been an above average player until he fell apart unexpectedly. I think at the time that was a great return. The one thing I would hold against hahn was that he didn't trade away some guys before they became zero value guys. Maybe he overestimated the quality of the sox player dev and hoped they would get better but he probably could have traded guys like basabe, Rutherford and others for something (even if it is only a relief arm) before they lost all value. But on the other hand that also meant he kept the good guys like vaughn instead of trading them when their value was lower so I guess that is a good thing. The big issue was that the sox system produced so little depth outside the blue chip guys, they never really developed a 100k international guy or a 5th rounder into something so hahn didn't really have much to work with. But to his credit he did keep the right guys even if it meant keeping many of the wrong guys who then went on to zero value. This was the very system he was at least 50% if not 75% responsible for developing and maintaining for the better part of 15+ years. He only negotiated contracts that entire time? Tatis Jr., btw, was under $1 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 I can't tell if this is satire or not, well done if trolling 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 21 hours ago, Dominikk85 said: A lot of negative talk about hahn about his free agent signings and inaction but I think a positive thing have been his trades. He obviously did great in the selling trades for prospects during the rebuild and while some of the guys he traded for flopped none of the guys he gave up (after tatis) really seems to become a big league factor. Some examples: Lynn trade:dunning is not doing terrible at a 4 era but his fb velo is down to 89 and his k rate a lame 20%, he doesn't seem to be much and weems has a 5 era in AA. Mazara trade: Mazara failed but steele walker was DFAed twice since then Kimbrel trade: madrigal continued to get injured and doubled his k rate while still hitting for no power. Cesar hernandez trade: pilkington is looking pretty mediocre so far, maybe he is a 5th starter Hahn won three trades because the players that he drafted/developed sucked more than the players he received in return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 14 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It's seriously time to question the Sale and Eaton deals. Totally agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossanoveralls Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 6 hours ago, reiks12 said: I can't tell if this is satire or not, well done if trolling Hence my hog lot post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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