TLR out for the year

[KrankinSox]

9 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

IMHO LaRussa lost the team in the second half last year with his bizarre managerial decisions and insistence of resting players when they needed no rest, there was no continuity in the lineups, MLB is played just about everyday for 6 months and players like to be in a comfort zone, TLR I guess doesn't believe this maybe because he was such a lousy ballplayer and never played on a regular basis. The only guy he didn't mess with was Abreu. 

You think Tony doesn't understand lineups because he was a lousy ballplayer? Yet he's managed 3 world series teams. This is why the majority of Tony takes are laughable at best.

[southsider2k5]

RIP 2022

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, KrankinSox said:

You think Tony doesn't understand lineups because he was a lousy ballplayer? Yet he's managed 3 world series teams. This is why the majority of Tony takes are laughable at best.

To be fair most people don't think he understands line ups because of the last 300ish games he has managed.  Pretty much all of baseball has joined in the sentiment. 

[35thstreetswarm]

We just need to keep winning to maximize the pressure to “not mess with a good thing.”  I hope the FO understands the kind of fan revolt they’d be dealing with if Tony came back and the team went south.  *Even if they don’t believe a slide could possibly be linked to Tony’s managing* they have to be sensitive to the optics there.  It would just be so risky for them from a PR perspective.

[T R U]

TLR has been cleared to travel, not yet coach. 
 

he’s coming back, so prepare yourselves

[The Mighty Mite]

24 minutes ago, KrankinSox said:

You think Tony doesn't understand lineups because he was a lousy ballplayer? Yet he's managed 3 world series teams. This is why the majority of Tony takes are laughable at best.

That was then, this is now.

[KrankinSox]

51 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

To be fair most people don't think he understands line ups because of the last 300ish games he has managed.  Pretty much all of baseball has joined in the sentiment. 

Fine make that argument all you want. But to suggest Tony can't manage because of his own baseball playing abilities is a nonsense  take.

Agree?

[ChiSox59]

I mean….

 

[The Kids Can Play]

2 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Green is good. Red is bad.

 

Too bad Jerry Reinsdorf and Rick Hahn can't see this improvement minus TLR and keep him away from the dugout!

Last 11 games without Tony in the dugout, the boys are 8-3. The prior 11 games with Tony in the dugout, the boys were 2-9!

 

[The Beast]

1 hour ago, KrankinSox said:

You think Tony doesn't understand lineups because he was a lousy ballplayer? Yet he's managed 3 world series teams. This is why the majority of Tony takes are laughable at best.

He was better off staying retired. This team needed someone like A.J. Hinch instead of TLR. Just because he had an outstanding managerial career in the past, doesn’t mean he would succeed in today’s game. He isn’t the only reason this team was dog s%*# for most of the year, but he did make questionable decisions and there’s no question that the team has played better without him. 

[Ducksnort]

I'd bet that the Sox brass payed Tony's doctors to keep him away from the game. 

[Ducksnort]

12 minutes ago, The Beast said:

He was better off staying retired. This team needed someone like A.J. Hinch instead of TLR. Just because he had an outstanding managerial career in the past, doesn’t mean he would succeed in today’s game. He isn’t the only reason this team was dog s%*# for most of the year, but he did make questionable decisions and there’s no question that the team has played better without him. 

Two biggest hinderances this season have been the injuries, and Tony. They are about as healthy as they've been all season at the moment (still have Tim and Robert out), and TLR is gone. They are winning now. If those two factors continue to be reality, I think the Sox will win the division.

[The Beast]

17 minutes ago, ScooterMcGuire said:

I'd bet that the Sox brass payed Tony's doctors to keep him away from the game. 

And I’ll pray for that if that’s what it takes.

[zisk]

1 hour ago, KrankinSox said:

Fine make that argument all you want. But to suggest Tony can't manage because of his own baseball playing abilities is a nonsense  take.

Agree?

Disagree. Like most elderly people, Tony has become a caricature of his former self. Little quirks become huge

obsessions to most people as they reach old age. Fella, TLR has reached old age. He is no longer a competent

manager. Any one who has watched his performance and can't see it, is being willfully blind. If this comment 

hurts your fellings, TOUGH S#$%.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, ChiSox59 said:

I mean….

 

So when do they fire Joe?

[southsideirish71]

I have noticed that we havent been IBBing players in critical situations with 1-2 counts since the corpse has been gone.  

[southsider2k5]

13 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

I have noticed that we havent been IBBing players in critical situations with 1-2 counts since the corpse has been gone.  

The big difference has been very consistent line ups. Some changes,  but the main guys are in same spot daily,  and out there almost every day. Also Leury has been buried.

[Texsox]

When was the last person injured? That's also helping. 

[Kyyle23]

[Kyyle23]

22 minutes ago, Texsox said:

When was the last person injured? That's also helping. 

Robert.  Which is not helpful.  Hopefully whatever happened with Lynn is over too

[Texsox]

28 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Robert.  Which is not helpful.  Hopefully whatever happened with Lynn is over too

Good point. Robert feels more like a continuation than a new injury. If it was June I doubt they would have rushed him back. 

 

[maloney.adam]

Cairo needs to be the manager going forward. Even the losses are more enjoyable now and they are competing.

Edited September 11, 2022 by maloney.adam

[hankchifan]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

The big difference has been very consistent line ups. Some changes,  but the main guys are in same spot daily,  and out there almost every day. Also Leury has been buried.

Agree.  I recall a stat given in one of the earlier TV broadcasts that TLR had 123 different lineups in the first 124 games this season.

[South Side Hit Men]

The biggest dagger to the team is Tony's unwillingness and/or inability to make proper reliever and pinch hitting moves, and rally the team when down. Ricky and Miguel won the same number of come from behind games (with a 3+ run deficit) in just over a quarter of the games Tony managed over the past three seasons, and they did so against quality teams (Tony's all came against bottom basement teams).

White Sox come from behind wins (down 3 or more runs):

Tony La Russa (5 of 288 Games)

1. 5/11/21 Down 3-0 Top 2nd vs. Minnesota (73-89)
2. 8/27/21 Down 6-0 Top 1st vs, Chicago N. L. (71-91)
3. 10/2/21 Down 4-0 Top 7th vs. Detroit (77-85)
4. 5/19/22 Down 4-1 Through 3 innings @ Kansas City (56-83)
5. 6/28/22 Down 3-0 Through 4 innings @ Los Angeles A. L. (60-78)

Ricky Renteria + Miguel Cairo (5 of 74 Games)

1. 8/31/20 Down 4-0 Through 3 innings at Minnesota (36-24)
2. 9/11/20 Down 3-0 Top 6th vs. Detroit (23-35)
3. 9/26/20 Down 5-2 Top 4th vs. Chicago N. L. (34-26)
4. 9/07/22 Down 4-0 Through 3 @ Seattle (77-61)
5. 9/9/22 Down 3-0 Through 8 innings @ Oakland (50-89)

[Paulie4Pres]

He's a zombie. He can barely stay awake in the dugout. It's obvious the team has responded to a skipper who is actively involved in the game, excited, and relatable. Big bonus that he doesn't fall asleep in the dugout.