Ozzie for Manager Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, flavum said: Regressing. 36 next year. Bad team. It’s time to move on. If Jose Abreu regressing is a .300 average, 20 HRs and 80-90 rbis that is still the best on the team. You have to keep him for another year. Jose is rarely injured and a good clubhouse guy. Sheets is the one guy who is really improving. It is obvious he knew he had to learn to go the opposite way and he right now is one of our most complete hitters. If he keeps it up the rest of the year I think you have to get him at bats against LHP to see what he can do. Maybe he becomes a good trade chip but right now he is possibly our best hitter and he is not injury prone. He is learning the OF, maybe he can get better in RF. This all goes back to poor drafting and putting the team together with so many of the same type of guys. Eloy, Vaughn, Sheets, Burger, Abreu are all DH/1B types. Get rid of Moncada would be my advice. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, GreenSox said: He'll probably be a solid major league hitter. Of course if you read a lot of the bloggers, he should rarely play. As for the logjam, Vaughn is probably the only one whose real value can be ascertained, and, thus, could reliably be traded. They need to let Abreu walk. Not attacking you just making a point. I can't believe how many people still hate on Abreu. Why the heck would you let the best player on the team, the one guy who cares, walk? This team of underachieving stiffs (in a baseball sense) has so many guys who need to be kicked out the door. Abreu is not one of them. Right now you definitely get rid of Grandal, Moncada, Harrison, Pollock, Andrus and most of the pitchers. Get rid of them and then we can talk. Play Abreu at first; split DH time between Sheets and Vaughn. Let Eloy play left (stress to him it'd be nice if he goes to Arizona and works on his fielding with college teams out there this winter), Robert center, and find a good fielding rightfielder somewhere. Edited August 31, 2022 by greg775 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 31, 2022 Author Share Posted August 31, 2022 I’m wondering more whether Sheets could hit 35 home runs as an everyday player. Do we really have a large enough sample size against LHP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, greg775 said: Not attacking you just making a point. I can't believe how many people still hate on Abreu. Why the heck would you let the best player on the team, the one guy who cares, walk? This team of underachieving stiffs (in a baseball sense) has so many guys who need to be kicked out the door. Abreu is not one of them. Right now you definitely get rid of Grandal, Moncada, Harrison, Pollock, Andrus and most of the pitchers. Get rid of them and then we can talk. Play Abreu at first; split DH time between Sheets and Vaughn. Let Eloy play left (stress to him it'd be nice if he goes to Arizona and works on his fielding with college teams out there this winter), Robert center, and find a good fielding rightfielder somewhere. It's not about hating Abreu. This team has too many 1B/DH types and Abreu is just the guy whose contract is up. They need to allocate that payroll elsewhere. It will be sad to see him go, but it needs to happen. Abreu will also be 36 next year and it's better to move on too early than too late. If you still believe in Vaughn, it's his time at 1B now. Edited August 31, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: It's not about hating Abreu. This team has too many 1B/DH types and Abreu is just the guy whose contract is up. They need to allocate that payroll elsewhere. It will be sad to see him go, but it needs to happen. Winning organizations don't think that way IMO. Pay the guy some significant $$. He's earned it. ... Maybe he'll want to sign elsewhere after such a disappointing season (not for him but the team). I'm sure a contender will find room for him at 1B if they are smart. Edited August 31, 2022 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: I’m wondering more whether Sheets could hit 35 home runs as an everyday player. Do we really have a large enough sample size against LHP? Yes. He cannot hit lefties. Go look any any of his splits in the minors, he is a strong side platoon player at best. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, greg775 said: Winning organizations don't think that way IMO. Pay the guy some significant $$. He's earned it. You don't draft Vaughn 3rd overall to not have him be your everyday 1B if you're keeping him around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Just now, CWSpalehoseCWS said: he is a strong side platoon player at best. Agreed. Luckily we have a weak side platoon guy at the same position in Burger. When you have the players for such a platoon in house, you should use them IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said: You don't draft Vaughn 3rd overall to not have him be your everyday 1B if you're keeping him around. Agree to disagree. I worship Abreu in a baseball sense and want him to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfaninfl Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, greg775 said: Agree to disagree. I worship Abreu in a baseball sense and want him to stay. I do too but baseball can be a hard business. The problem with the Sox is they have the potential for a lot of serious dead money contracts next year and I think it’s obvious they have to get better. I just don’t see how you give up control on either Eloy (at 25) or Andrew (at 24) given the contract situation. If I felt JR was going to turn on the money machine this off-season, then maybe you keep Abreu. Gavin has proven himself to be a MLB player but not yet a starter. Of course, if you let Jose walk, you leave it to chance that he winds up in Cleveland or Minnesota and come kick our ass. Edited August 31, 2022 by soxfaninfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, greg775 said: Agree to disagree. I worship Abreu in a baseball sense and want him to stay. Would you really run the risk of watching him turn into 2017-2022 Miguel Cabrera? It's typically better to get rid of a player a year early than hang onto them forever. This is the same organization that let Frank Thomas and Mark Buehrle walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Timmy U said: If the park is going to benefit lefties, they have to make room for Sheets, not as an outfielder. It also bodes well for Colas and possibly Mieses. They cannot go into next year with Abreu, Eloy, Vaughn, and Sheets on the team. Eloy is the guy I would keep. Either let Abreu walk, trade Vaughn or both. Please stop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: Against RHP, absolutely. Sheets and Burger can be a great platoon at 1B. Trade Vaughn, let Abreu walk. Sheets and Burger platoon at 1B. Sign Brandon Nimmo, call up Colas. Hope for health and a rebound from Eloy/Yaz/Moncada. We have the lineal and when healthy they will produce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 1 hour ago, fathom said: No more softball lineups. Real corner outfielders, Eloy at DH and choose one of the others to be 1B. Eloy can't stay healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Well Sheets will have the chance to prove it in the next six weeks. If he is still around next year it simply can not be as an outfielder...period. No excuses. He's either at first base or at DH, that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 He’s been mediocre to downright bad except this month of August really…which is being fueled by a .400+ BABIP. Not going to get carried away by a hot streak, we all should have learned that lesson by now. Not sure if the glove justifies it, but I think if Gavin can stick as a lefty pinch hitter off the bench it would be a success. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 6 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: It's not about hating Abreu. This team has too many 1B/DH types and Abreu is just the guy whose contract is up. They need to allocate that payroll elsewhere. It will be sad to see him go, but it needs to happen. Abreu will also be 36 next year and it's better to move on too early than too late. If you still believe in Vaughn, it's his time at 1B now. Smart teams don't keep the 20-million-dollar aging player while trading the cheap young stud. I like that JR is loyal to his people but the Konerko farewell tour was not enjoyable. I hope the WS hire a talent evaluator GM and RH can serve as a contract specialist or leave. Williams is long past his prime and should retire as he has wanted to do for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 If the team gets a legitimate lefthanded hitting RFer who can play defense, I'm OK with keeping Vaughn and Abreu as 1B / DH. Robert in CF with a legit RFer can help make up for Eloy's defensive deficiencies in LF. Oh yeah - and Sheets is a LH bench bat or trade piece. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTB Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 7 hours ago, greg775 said: Winning organizations don't think that way IMO. Pay the guy some significant $$. He's earned it. ... Actually, that’s exactly how winning organizations think. Keep cost-controlled young players. Let the aging, expensive players walk earlier rather than later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, flavum said: Regressing. 36 next year. Bad team. It’s time to move on. Interesting definition of regressing when he has his highest WAR since 2017. Edited August 31, 2022 by Buehrle>Wood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 His defense is definitely UNREAL… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Interesting definition of regressing when he's has his highest WAR since 2017. Can we sign him to a contract where he doesn't start playing until May 15? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 (edited) Sheets should be relied on as nothing more than a depth piece. He’s interesting but if Sox plug him in as the primary DH or a primary corner OF, they’re going to be bad again. The path forward should be simple: -Let Jose walk -Sign Nimmo -Call up Colas in May to take the other corner, shifting Pollock to 4th OF -Shift AV to 1B mostly fulltime -shift Eloy to DH mostly fulltime -Sheets can fill in for rest and injuries Team defense, lineup balance and athleticism take giant leaps forward. And we didn’t even spend much money. I can’t imagine Nimmo will be much more than 3-4 year deal around $15-17M AAV. Edited August 31, 2022 by ChiSox59 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 9 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: Here we are. I don't see it that way. If the platoon is more efficient, then why not? The Dodgers have success because of players like Muncy, Taylor, and Bellinger that they can move all over the diamond, and we're saying we should take up two roster spots to cover 1B. That's great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 Sheets has progressed as a hitter......thank God he has a professional hitter as a father and not Dirty Frank. Sheets makes Vaughan an easy trade chip and you bring back Jose and let Eloy roam in LF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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