White Sox Mgr Speculation Thread

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, ShoeLessRob said:

Sure but do you think anyone had the balls to tell him he’s Desastre Personal.

Risky, but I bet only Ozzie would be willing to do it.

[Bob Sacamano]

Angels signed Phil Nevin to be their manager for next year. Removes one team from the “teams that need a manager” list.

[Quin]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

I seriously do not think at the present moment the Sox destination is as attractive as you seem to suggest. If you want to compare us to the Rangers or Tigers as you are, then yes, it's more attractive than those two clubs. However I don't want to be like the Rangers or Tigers. I want my team to strive to be like the Dodgers, Astros, Braves, etc. (the very top tier teams.) This doesn't mean it cant be fixed and this team can be a championship contender, but its going to take a lot of work, luck and a brilliant GM, manager and coaching staff...which this team currently does not have.

The realty of why this team is not so attractive is simply the following:

1. Probably the worst owner in baseball.

2. Inept GM and front office.

3. Garbage farm system, currently 26th ranked. 

Records:

Low A - Kannapolis - W-L - 58-74
High A - Winston-Salem - W-L 58-74
AA - Birmingham - W-L - 61-77
AAA - Charlotte - W-L - 58-72

4. Going to finish season at either 82-80 or 81-81 in the worst division in MLB. Keep in mind the Sox were the 4th or 5th overall odds on favorite to win the WS by all betting sportsbooks.

5. Serious roster flaws and lack of pitching, hitting, scoring runs, baserunning, fundaments and defensive.

6. Little team payroll flexibility to spend money in 2023 to get the proper free agent talent, unless major trades are made. 

Having said all that, if you still think this club is the "glass half full", then god bless your loyal die-hard fandom, which I do respect, but don't agree with.

Every time someone says this, all I can think of is the fact that we need to step back and remember that Peter Angelos, Bob Nutting, Bruce Sherman, and John Fisher exist.

Reinsdorf is definitely bottom tier though.

[The Beast]

2 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:

The MLB White Sox page posted this as 12 possible candidates for the Sox manager's position. 

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/potential-candidates-to-be-white-sox-manager-in-2023

I realize there might be others, but from reading this list the two younger ones I would like the Sox to look at seriously are:

Astros bench coach Joe Espada and Rays bench coach Matt Quatraro. Although I'm sure there are even more better candidates out there.

 

I’m surprised people aren’t talking more about Espada or Quatraro and are spending more time talking about Guillen or Bochy. Wouldn’t it make sense to add one of these two guys as the manager, given their recent history with successful teams?

[Bob Sacamano]

39 minutes ago, The Beast said:

I’m surprised people aren’t talking more about Espada or Quatraro and are spending more time talking about Guillen or Bochy. Wouldn’t it make sense to add one of these two guys as the manager, given their recent history with successful teams?

Yes they absolutely should be looking to hire someone from the Rays, Astros, Dodgers, etc.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Bob Sacamano

[gogosox1959]

Iguchi, (if his English is good enough, if I recall correctly, his wife taught at Northwestern).  Would need a Spanish speaking bench coach)

one World Series win; 3 Japanese series wins; been managing for 4 years; was personally solid in fundamentals; Japanese managers all drill in fundamentals.  The Sox are the worst fundamental team I've ever seen in defense, positioning, running the bases, and situational hitting.

a huge competitive advantage for future free agents coming out of Japan.  (I won't say Ohtani in 2024 as a $300,000,000 contract would literally be the end for JR).

 

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, The Beast said:

I’m surprised people aren’t talking more about Espada or Quatraro and are spending more time talking about Guillen or Bochy. Wouldn’t it make sense to add one of these two guys as the manager, given their recent history with successful teams?

1. Guillen is spending the time talking about himself and he has a TV slot. 

2. Guillen talking about himself has a history of bringing press coverage, both positive and negative. The press will be happy to take advantage of the eyeballs on that story.

3. Espada and Quatraro and others are not generally familiar names. Those names do not drive article clicks or radio listening. They may well be the best candidates but the press is going to be biased at the start as to what it can sell.

4. Rick Hahn suggested he wanted someone who has recent managerial experience (recent experience in the dugout) and  experience in the playoffs. There's ways you can interpret it to get around that for these guys and maybe Hahn won't be wedded fully to that statement, but that statement suggests that Bochy would be more of a favorite than those guys.

[T R U]

5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yes they absolutely be looking to hire someone from the Rays, Astros, Dodgers, etc.

If we were talking front office I agree. I don't think the manager search should be limited to those kind of teams though. While coming from a winning culture is nice, I don't think that's required of a manager.

If we were replacing the front office, that's absolutely where I would be looking.

[Harry Chappas]

22 minutes ago, gogosox1959 said:

Iguchi, (if his English is good enough, if I recall correctly, his wife taught at Northwestern).  Would need a Spanish speaking bench coach)

one World Series win; 3 Japanese series wins; been managing for 4 years; was personally solid in fundamentals; Japanese managers all drill in fundamentals.  The Sox are the worst fundamental team I've ever seen in defense, positioning, running the bases, and situational hitting.

a huge competitive advantage for future free agents coming out of Japan.  (I won't say Ohtani in 2024 as a $300,000,000 contract would literally be the end for JR).

 

Pair him with Guillen as the bench coach....sounds stupid but it may just work. 

[South Side Hit Men]

3 hours ago, ShoeLessRob said:

Sure but do you think anyone had the balls to tell him he’s Desastre Personal.

Yoan busted his ass his first two seasons under Ricky, the second clearly impacted by COVID.

[The Beast]

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Yes they absolutely be looking to hire someone from the Rays, Astros, Dodgers, etc.

They should be. Those are the successful teams over the last few years.

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

1. Guillen is spending the time talking about himself and he has a TV slot. 

2. Guillen talking about himself has a history of bringing press coverage, both positive and negative. The press will be happy to take advantage of the eyeballs on that story.

3. Espada and Quatraro and others are not generally familiar names. Those names do not drive article clicks or radio listening. They may well be the best candidates but the press is going to be biased at the start as to what it can sell.

4. Rick Hahn suggested he wanted someone who has recent managerial experience (recent experience in the dugout) and  experience in the playoffs. There's ways you can interpret it to get around that for these guys and maybe Hahn won't be wedded fully to that statement, but that statement suggests that Bochy would be more of a favorite than those guys.

1.-3. That makes sense. But I know people on this board think more analytically and would probably want a manager like Quatraro or Espada. Then again, maybe Guillen or Bochy make sense if they want to go old school and keep the same broke and busted club as this year. 

4. Fair enough. But if Hahn were to hire one of the two I have proposed, maybe they could influence the investments into scouting, medical staff, development and analytics people have called for. But that is the organization we should hope for and not the one we have.

[The Beast]

More food for thought beyond just looking at the resumes:

When the Astros extended Dusty Baker, they risked losing Joe Espada. It may soon become reality.

Execs weigh in on Mets manager candidate Matt Quatraro

[Tnetennba]

Hahahah I read that wrong.  Phew.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Tnetennba

[Tnetennba]

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Edited October 5, 2022 by Tnetennba

[ShoeLessRob]

1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Yoan busted his ass his first two seasons under Ricky, the second clearly impacted by COVID.

Doesn’t negate the fact that his season was a disaster. 

[South Side Hit Men]

Just now, ShoeLessRob said:

Doesn’t negate the fact that his season was a disaster. 

Just noting who he played very hard for.

A new manager can revert him back on track.

[Dominikk85]

4 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:

I seriously do not think at the present moment the Sox destination is as attractive as you seem to suggest. If you want to compare us to the Rangers or Tigers as you are, then yes, it's more attractive than those two clubs. However I don't want to be like the Rangers or Tigers. I want my team to strive to be like the Dodgers, Astros, Braves, etc. (the very top tier teams.) This doesn't mean it cant be fixed and this team can be a championship contender, but its going to take a lot of work, luck and a brilliant GM, manager and coaching staff...which this team currently does not have.

The realty of why this team is not so attractive is simply the following:

1. Probably the worst owner in baseball.

2. Inept GM and front office.

3. Garbage farm system, currently 26th ranked. 

Records:

Low A - Kannapolis - W-L - 58-74
High A - Winston-Salem - W-L 58-74
AA - Birmingham - W-L - 61-77
AAA - Charlotte - W-L - 58-72

4. Going to finish season at either 82-80 or 81-81 in the worst division in MLB. Keep in mind the Sox were the 4th or 5th overall odds on favorite to win the WS by all betting sportsbooks.

5. Serious roster flaws and lack of pitching, hitting, scoring runs, baserunning, fundaments and defensive.

6. Little team payroll flexibility to spend money in 2023 to get the proper free agent talent, unless major trades are made. 

Having said all that, if you still think this club is the "glass half full", then god bless your loyal die-hard fandom, which I do respect, but don't agree with.

The teams you mentioned do not have a manager opening. 

[RibbieRubarb]

2 hours ago, gogosox1959 said:

Iguchi, (if his English is good enough, if I recall correctly, his wife taught at Northwestern).  Would need a Spanish speaking bench coach)

one World Series win; 3 Japanese series wins; been managing for 4 years; was personally solid in fundamentals; Japanese managers all drill in fundamentals.  The Sox are the worst fundamental team I've ever seen in defense, positioning, running the bases, and situational hitting.

a huge competitive advantage for future free agents coming out of Japan.  (I won't say Ohtani in 2024 as a $300,000,000 contract would literally be the end for JR).

 

I don't think this will happen but man...I love the out-of-the-box thinking bringing in Iguchi.

 

[kitekrazy]

3 hours ago, RibbieRubarb said:

I don't think this will happen but man...I love the out-of-the-box thinking bringing in Iguchi.

 

out of the box is so Sox......see Ventura

[Boopa1219]

20 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:

3. Garbage farm system, currently 26th ranked. 

Records:

Low A - Kannapolis - W-L - 58-74
High A - Winston-Salem - W-L 58-74
AA - Birmingham - W-L - 61-77
AAA - Charlotte - W-L - 58-72

 

There is nothing more meaningless than minor league W-L records. The minors are for player development, not winning games.

And the farm, while it ranks in the bottom third has its share of intriguing players. Which should mean for healthier farm going forward, where it was strictly top heavy during the rebuild. You want intriguing players 1-30, not just 1-10

Edited October 6, 2022 by Joshua Strong

[Sleepy Harold]

TIFWIW, but going from an old manager with heart problems to a slightly younger manager with heart problems seems problematic no?

[RibbieRubarb]

14 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

out of the box is so Sox......see Ventura

Big difference between the two

[RibbieRubarb]

3 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

TIFWIW, but going from an old manager with heart problems to a slightly younger manager with heart problems seems problematic no?

Bochy and Beltran as bench coach?

[Sleepy Harold]

19 minutes ago, RibbieRubarb said:

Bochy and Beltran as bench coach?

I'd rather just have Beltran as manager over the combo.

[Leonard Zelig]

I really hope the “Hey Tony, pinch run Engel” guy at least gets an interview.