Soxfest Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Hire for Latin players being overplayed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: Yes, this went on for 2 seasons. There were also a lot of disputes between Ozzie and the front office over player personnel. The streaming/flex DH with Kotsay+ (Ozzie’s choice) over signing Thome (KW/RH’s choice) comes to mind. Thome went on to rake for a 2 more seasons (1.5 with the Twins). And Mark Kotsay… well, he was Mark Kotsay, put up a OPS in the .600’s, and the Sox ended up having near the lowest or THE lowest DH production in MLB. Personnel decisions were the weakest aspect of Ozzie: he wanted a team full of hackers. Erstad ("like a .400 hitter"), Wise (and as leadoff hitter); and as someone reminded us yesterday, he had Jerry Owens for CF, with Quentin in the minors. He also had no patience with young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth G.O.A.T. Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Soxfest said: Hire for Latin players being overplayed Yes it is. Furthermore, there are plenty of players who speak both languages, as well as other coaches/staff, etc. I don’t think it’s all that relevant. It certainly doesn’t hurt from a communications standpoint. But it’s not going to be a sticking point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Soxfest said: Hire for Latin players being overplayed Oh no, being concerned about connecting to half the player population, oh mercy me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Tnetennba said: “Nitpicking” doesn’t change any of his disloyal selfish behaviour, which shows no signs of changing or evolving in the past decade. Hasn't Ozzie been pretty non controversial in his analysis on TV and all the radio shows he goes on regarding the Sox? Hasn't he been pretty fair to the team as well? He hasn't gone on any wild tangents about the team's ineptitude or politics has he? A decent sign there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 9 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Personnel decisions were the weakest aspect of Ozzie: he wanted a team full of hackers. Erstad ("like a .400 hitter"), Wise (and as leadoff hitter); and as someone reminded us yesterday, he had Jerry Owens for CF, with Quentin in the minors. He also had no patience with young players. Good points. Ozzie certainly should not have control over the roster. Of course managers have their faves but Ozz shouldn't have been allowed so much power re. personnel decisions if indeed he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Stealth G.O.A.T. said: Ok. That’s your choose and it’s a completely reasonable one. Given who I’ve heard it from, I feel completely comfortable stating it as fact. I don’t feel statements can only be made about something solely based on what’s been publicly stated. Also, what are RH and KW supposed to say publicly? That they made a choice but then the owner who hired them to make these decisions undercut their choice and went over them to hire his friend/choice? I mean, the White Sox marketing department literally released the TLR welcome graphic with AJ Hinch’s signature on it. Like I said it's a strong assumption, one I wouldn't disagree with, but I wouldn't label it as fact. The fact is we don't know. Maybe they said "hey here are the two we think are excellent candidates, Tony and Hinch. We can't decide so JR you pick". Maybe they screamed and yelled and threw things at JR. I don't know, I wasn't there. Another possibility is someone in the PR department worked on a mock up of press release weeks before and used an actual candidate's name, not a made up name like would be common. Later they didn't do a good job of proof reading. Perhaps it was wishful thinking by a low level staffer. Perhaps it was Kenny directing it. The fact is we may never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 51 minutes ago, reiks12 said: He wouldnt enjoy his summer, theres nothing childish about it. My interest in next season would plummet if we find another way to be the laughingstock of mlb I can guarantee to you that regardless of any manager hire, there will be at least a dozen teams bigger laughingstocks over the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: No they're not. This whole thing is media and stupid twitter driven. The fact that he had a sit down with Jerry then an actual interview with Hahn & others means yes Jerry is actually considering him and that’s the only guy who matters unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ'S Cousin Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 hours ago, HOFHurt35 said: Please. That's so childish. Reinsdorf, LaRussa, or any front office hire or manager would not keep me from enjoying my favorite summer pastime. Agree. It will hilarious watching games with Ozzie back in the dugout. HOFHurt, you’ll watch, we all will. Hey, I don’t want him either, but we’ll all watch the 1st month for shits and grins as they say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 It will be fun to go back in this thread after we win the next 5 World Series’s with Ozzie as manager and see all the hatred some of y’all had fro him 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, AJ'S Cousin said: Agree. It will hilarious watching games with Ozzie back in the dugout. HOFHurt, you’ll watch, we all will. Hey, I don’t want him either, but we’ll all watch the 1st month for shits and grins as they say. I won't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, ShoeLessRob said: The fact that he had a sit down with Jerry then an actual interview with Hahn & others means yes Jerry is actually considering him and that’s the only guy who matters unfortunately. They only granted him an interview because of Reinsdorf's weird one way loyalty. Absolutely no one wants him to manage the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They only granted him an interview because of Reinsdorf's weird one way loyalty. Absolutely no one wants him to manage the team. Out of curiosity, who else wanted La Russa? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 Just checking in after being gone for weeks. Are we seriously hiring Ozzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said: That'd be great. The Latin American players love him. Could do worse than Salvador Perez' catching coach. Salvador Perez is consistently one of the worst defensive players in baseball I don't know much about Grifol overall, but I wouldn't use that as a selling point for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, Unknown said: Just checking in after being gone for weeks. Are we seriously hiring Ozzie? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 33 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said: Salvador Perez is consistently one of the worst defensive players in baseball I don't know much about Grifol overall, but I wouldn't use that as a selling point for him Not when he came up through his first 5 or so years (when Grifol was actually the catching coach). He's not a good framer but was elite in pretty much all other aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They only granted him an interview because of Reinsdorf's weird one way loyalty. Absolutely no one wants him to manage the team. Harold, with the interview being granted do you feel that JR will force KW/RH hand in trying to hire Ozzie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Not when he came up through his first 5 or so years (when Grifol was actually the catching coach). He's not a good framer but was elite in pretty much all other aspects. Fair enough. He definitely has gotten much worse back there with age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 6 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: No they're not. This whole thing is media and stupid twitter driven. The Sox are driving the Ozzie thing with interviews. It would be stupid and twitter driven if there were no interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Sambuca said: Out of curiosity, who else wanted La Russa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sleepy Harold Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: Another one bites the dust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Another one bites the dust It's shaping up to be Long or Ozzie, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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