10/5- Twins at Sox, 3:10

[hankchifan]

1 hour ago, wegner said:

Well, this season sucked.

I truly appreciate the Soxtalk community for making it bearable.

Thanks everyone.

Thanks to you and the Soxtalk team for allowing us to vent our frustrations this awful season.  Keeping this frustration inside would have been more stressful. Now I move to confront the frustration with the Bears and the Hawks, not sure about the Bulls.  Have a nice off season.  Looking forward to next Sox season without TLR to kick around. 

[Lip Man 1]

I'll have more news, notes, facts and factoids in a few days but for right now...

 

How ironic. Six years ago Hahn spoke about being "mired in mediocrity" and started the rebuild. Sox end the year 81-81.

 

How "mediocre" can you get? ?????

 

Only the fifth time in franchise history the team finishes exactly at .500

 

And of course it's so fitting that at the end of this dismal year yet ANOTHER player gets hurt, a kid who they may be counting on to be a back end starter next year. "Bicep soreness"...oh my...hello TJS!

[The Grinder]

When does the parade start Rick?

 

[hankchifan]

48 minutes ago, Dan Pasqua said:

Nah nah nah hey hey hey we suck

Letting TLR manage this season with his heart and drinking problems and advanced age, was one of the biggest unforced errors in Sox history IMO.

[South Side Hit Men]

9 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

Letting TLR manage this season with his heart and drinking problems and advanced age, was one of the biggest unforced errors in Sox history IMO.

Would rank passing on Rodon QO and [picking up Kimbrel's option equal or worse. Too clever by half.

No positive WAR starting RF for fourth straight season.

[A-Train to 35th]

1 hour ago, CentralChamps21 said:

So Super Joe has cost the Sox at least a dozen runs by sending runners too aggressively, and on the last day of the season the fans are booing him for not sending someone when down 10?

I'll say one thing in Joe's defense, it's a hell of a lot easier to look good sending runners who don't run in quicksand.  Just about any other third base coach sends his runners on the same plays, the difference being the Sox runners are slow.  Joe didn't send too many more after the first 5 or so were thrown out, but heck ya got to believe in your players scoring and force the team to make a throw.  I think he learned his lesson because I don't remember too many bad sends after the All Star game.  Not defending him sending Grandal tho, he should have known better.

[wegner]

30 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

Thanks to you and the Soxtalk team for allowing us to vent our frustrations this awful season.  Keeping this frustration inside would have been more stressful. Now I move to confront the frustration with the Bears and the Hawks, not sure about the Bulls.  Have a nice off season.  Looking forward to next Sox season without TLR to kick around. 

We will find new people to kick around, no doubt.

[Bossanoveralls]

1 hour ago, hankchifan said:

Thanks to you and the Soxtalk team for allowing us to vent our frustrations this awful season.  Keeping this frustration inside would have been more stressful. Now I move to confront the frustration with the Bears and the Hawks, not sure about the Bulls.  Have a nice off season.  Looking forward to next Sox season without TLR to kick around. 

Perhaps TLR will write a book.

Then we will have his book to kick around.

[greg775]

A 10-1 loss to end the season? How fitting. Did they boo the bums off the field? Or would that be a little overkill.

By far the least enjoyable season of my entire life. This team stunk. Even though we had some decent starting pitchers, I personally did not care to watch them go their five innings. I watched most games on MLB but usually the last 4-5 innings for the dull parade of relievers.

For me personally all I cared about was following Jose's BA. That's truly it. The injuries angered me beyond belief. A couple times I was sucked in and hopeful the Sox would turn it on. I think we got 4 or 5 over .500 and it looked like Cairo might lead us to greatness.postseson ball. That horrific stretch the past couple weeks is embarrassing and heads should roll. The Sox were a disgrace to their fans this season despite the .500 record.

I feel unless there's total revamping of roster team will be even worse next season.

Get rid of Harrison, Grandal, Moncada, Pollock, almost the entire bullpen for starters. Get rid of Leury and our other utility players including Elvis. Keep Eloy and Robert and TA but send them to specialists to give them a training regimen to avoid injuries.

Good luck Hahn. Your team stunk.

[JoeC]

10 hours ago, A-Train to 35th said:

I'll say one thing in Joe's defense, it's a hell of a lot easier to look good sending runners who don't run in quicksand.  Just about any other third base coach sends his runners on the same plays, the difference being the Sox runners are slow.  Joe didn't send too many more after the first 5 or so were thrown out, but heck ya got to believe in your players scoring and force the team to make a throw.  I think he learned his lesson because I don't remember too many bad sends after the All Star game.  Not defending him sending Grandal tho, he should have known better.

I feel like it is a minimum qualification for a coach to know if he has fast or slow players.

[A-Train to 35th]

1 hour ago, JoeC said:

I feel like it is a minimum qualification for a coach to know if he has fast or slow players.

There's slow and then there's White Sox slow. You have to send them once to actually see how slow they are.  Don't recall Joe sending the same player twice and getting the same player thrown out twice. Then again the Sox were told not to run hard so is Joe to blame?  Every coach has a bad send now and then, I like aggressive baseball that forces the outfielder to make a throw.  I have a feeling we'd all be complaining if Joe didn't send the runners.  

 

[A-Train to 35th]

Sox finished over 2 million in attendance for the first time since 2011.  I believe some Admin. on this site was saying earlier in the year how Sox attendance was down this year.  I'll have to check, but out of the 20 games I attended this season I feel like they only won 4 or 5 and left me grumbling about their poor play every game so I won't be renewing.

[poppysox]

6 hours ago, greg775 said:

A 10-1 loss to end the season? How fitting. Did they boo the bums off the field? Or would that be a little overkill.

By far the least enjoyable season of my entire life. This team stunk. Even though we had some decent starting pitchers, I personally did not care to watch them go their five innings. I watched most games on MLB but usually the last 4-5 innings for the dull parade of relievers.

For me personally all I cared about was following Jose's BA. That's truly it. The injuries angered me beyond belief. A couple times I was sucked in and hopeful the Sox would turn it on. I think we got 4 or 5 over .500 and it looked like Cairo might lead us to greatness.postseson ball. That horrific stretch the past couple weeks is embarrassing and heads should roll. The Sox were a disgrace to their fans this season despite the .500 record.

I feel unless there's total revamping of roster team will be even worse next season.

Get rid of Harrison, Grandal, Moncada, Pollock, almost the entire bullpen for starters. Get rid of Leury and our other utility players including Elvis. Keep Eloy and Robert and TA but send them to specialists to give them a training regimen to avoid injuries.

Good luck Hahn. Your team stunk.

Oddly enough...the bullpen is where the off-season money was spent.  Whoever did the player evaluations (I suspect KW) should be fired.

[JoeC]

50 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said:

There's slow and then there's White Sox slow. You have to send them once to actually see how slow they are.  Don't recall Joe sending the same player twice and getting the same player thrown out twice. Then again the Sox were told not to run hard so is Joe to blame?  Every coach has a bad send now and then, I like aggressive baseball that forces the outfielder to make a throw.  I have a feeling we'd all be complaining if Joe didn't send the runners.  

 

Again, shouldn’t a coach know how slow his players are?

Shouldn’t the coach know that his players were told not to run hard?

[A-Train to 35th]

12 minutes ago, JoeC said:

Again, shouldn’t a coach know how slow his players are?

Shouldn’t the coach know that his players were told not to run hard?

 Don't recall Joe sending the same player twice and getting the same player thrown out twice

[South Side Hit Men]

59 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said:

Sox finished over 2 million in attendance for the first time since 2011.  I believe some Admin. on this site was saying earlier in the year how Sox attendance was down this year.  I'll have to check, but out of the 20 games I attended this season I feel like they only won 4 or 5 and left me grumbling about their poor play every game so I won't be renewing.

You need to factor the restricted attendance until June 25 last season due to the city/state gate caps. 8,207 were allowed to attend OD 2021.

The Sox had a higher season ticket base in 2022, and expected an increase in unrestricted attendance. That failed to materialize, primarily due to the poor performance of the team. The discretionary season ticket base (fans, not sponsors) will most certainly decrease year over year, the only question is how much, and can the FO hire a solid manager to stop the bleeding before deposits are due. The fact that Rick Hahn apparently is returning is not giving fans a lot of hope.

[Middle Buffalo]

7 hours ago, greg775 said:

By far the least enjoyable season of my entire life. This team stunk.

Very disappointing, for sure, but the 1984 White Sox are still at the top of my list. Coming off a 99 win season with the returning ROY & Cy Young, they stumbled to 74 wins. I still don’t understand how that team crumbled so quickly. 
 

[JoeC]

45 minutes ago, A-Train to 35th said:

 Don't recall Joe sending the same player twice and getting the same player thrown out twice

Again, if you’re a coach, shouldn’t you know that BEFORE the first time?

[A-Train to 35th]

7 minutes ago, JoeC said:

Again, if you’re a coach, shouldn’t you know that BEFORE the first time?

Let's agree to disagree (I like aggressive baseball).   I just hope a new Manager is allowed to hire his own coaches so we can finally part ways with Daryl Boston and Super Joe. They've both been around way to long (Joe 10 years? - Boston 7 years?) and have survived 3 managers which is most unusual in MLB.

[35thstreetswarm]

Fitting end to an awful season.  A truly terrible, broken, mismanaged team battled a good, talented team to a draw.  I really felt like the latter team would break through in the end but it was not to be.  I still have hope that with new management, better health, and some key roster moves this team could contend next year, but my faith and baseline level of optimism have definitely taken a hit.

[pcq]

Where ever a half-empty glass is to be found this community will flourish.

[Bossanoveralls]

So yeah.

We are what our record says we are.

I hope we get better soon.

On to the offseason.

GO YOU WHITE SOX!!!

[Lip Man 1]

3 hours ago, Middle Buffalo said:

Very disappointing, for sure, but the 1984 White Sox are still at the top of my list. Coming off a 99 win season with the returning ROY & Cy Young, they stumbled to 74 wins. I still don’t understand how that team crumbled so quickly. 
 

The 1984 team was in first place at the break and had won seven straight. They fell apart in the second half. When I interviewed Ron Kittle he said the club (direct quote) "quit." When I interviewed Tony LaRussa he disagreed citing injuries to Fisk, Cruz (and trying to live up to the pressure of his new contract) and the trading of Koosman which impacted his friend Luzinski.