The Decade of Hahn - By the Numbers

[South Side Hit Men]

Rick Hahn vs. White Sox GMs and against his peers during his career (2013-2022).

(Postseason = World Series, American League Pennants)

White Sox All Time General Manager Records

1. .568 Hank Greenberg ( 267-203-3 +64) (1959-1961) (1959 American League Pennant)
2. .556 Charles Comiskey II (257-205-2 +52) (1956-1958)
3. .535 Charles Comiskey (1115-968-48 +147) (1901-1914) (1906 World Series Championship & 1901 American League Pennant *)  * = No 1901 World Series.
4. .527 Ron Schuler (817-734-3 +83) (1991-2000)
5. .521 Kenny Williams (1014-931-0 +83) (2001-2012) (2005 World Series Championship)
6. .518 Frank Lane (559-519-9 +40) (1949-1955)
7. .508 Stu Holcomb (243-235-0 +8) (1971-1973)
8. .504 Ed Short (735-723-1 +12) (1962-1970)
9. .491 Roland Hemond (922-957-6 -35) (1974-1985)
10. .487 Harry Grabiner (2285-2408-27 -123) (1915-1945) (1917 World Series Championship & 1919 American League Pennant)
11. .481 Larry Himes (311-335-0 -24) (1987-1990)
12. .461 Rick Hahn (700-817-0 -117) (2013-2022)
13. .444 Hawk Harrelson (72-90-0 -18) (1986)
14. .425 Leslie O'Connor (195-265-4 -70) (1946-1948)

Team Regular Season Records (2013-2022) ($xxx.xM = Average Payroll per Baseball Cube) (Postseason 2022 TBD)

1. .613 Los Angeles N. L. (931-588) ($222.2M) (2020 World Series Championship; 2018 National League Pennant; 2017 National League Pennant)
2. .565 New York A. L. (858-660) ($207.7M)
3. .560 Saint Louis (848-666) ($144.4M) (2013 National League Pennant)
4. .557 Cleveland (845-671) ($92.1M) (2016 American League Pennant)
5. .548 Houston (832-686) ($124.3M) (2017 World Series Championship; 2021 American League Pennant; 2019 American League Pennant)
6. .539 Boston (818-700) ($182.4M) (2018 World Series Championship; 2013 World Series Championship)
7. .533 Tampa Bay (809-710) ($69.0M) (2020 American League Pennant)
8. .523 Atlanta (793-723) ( $120.4M) (2021 World Series Championship)
9. .520 Chicago N. L. (789-728) ($152.9M) (2016 World Series Championship)
10. .513 Washington (778-740) ($152.8M) (2019 World Series Championship)
11. .512 Milwaukee (778-741) ($95.2M)
12. .509 Oakland (772-746) ($76.0M)
13. .507 Toronto (770-748) ($134.2M)
14. .506 Seattle (763-746) ($116.0M)
15. .505 New York N. L. (767-751) ($148.4M) (2015 National League Pennant)
16. .505 San Francisco (766-752) ($163.5M) (2014 World Series Championship)
17. .490 Los Angeles A. L. (743-775) ($163.4M)
18. .480 Minnesota (729-789) ($111.1M)
19. .479 Pittsburgh (726-790) ($71.6M)
20. .471 Texas (714-803) ($139.0M)
21. .470 Kansas City (713-805) ($104.3M) (2015 World Series Championship; 2014 American League Pennant)
22. .466 San Diego (707-811) ($113.7M)
23. .464 Arizona (704-814) ($97.3M)
24. .464 Philadelphia (704-814) ($145.0M)
25. .461 Chicago A. L. (700-817) ($115.2M)
26. .461 Colorado (700-818) ($115.8M)
27. .453 Baltimore (687-831) ($99.4M)
28. .452 Detroit (684-829) ($141.7M)
29. .451 Cincinnati (684-834) ($112.4M)
30. .431 Miami (653-863) ($71.4M)

[reiks12]

B....b...but Jerry isnt giving Hahn enough resources! hes a...... PRISONER!

[Greg Hibbard]

If Rick Hahn had won 100 regular season games and the world series this year, and 100 regular season games and the world series last year, he would still rank exactly the same in comparison to other White Sox GMs, but rank slightly better at 20th out of 30 compared to other GMs in baseball.

If he had lost 100 games this year instead of going 81-81, he would still rank exactly the same in comparison to other White Sox GMs, and rank 29th out of 30 compared to other GMs in baseball. 

In other words, there was NOTHING Hahn could really have done this season or last to substatively change these rankings, so how does this have any meaning with regards to his performance in this particular season? I'm not criticizing, just wondering out loud. 

If he did everything right, he's aggregately as bad a GM as if he did everything wrong.  

Edited October 6, 2022 by Greg Hibbard

[FloydBannister1983]

1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Rick Hahn vs. White Sox GMs and against his peers during his career (2013-2022).

(Postseason = World Series, American League Pennants)

White Sox All Time General Manager Records

1. .568 Hank Greenberg ( 267-203-3 +64) (1959-1961) (1959 American League Pennant)
2. .556 Charles Comiskey II (257-205-2 +52) (1956-1958)
3. .535 Charles Comiskey (1115-968-48 +147) (1901-1914) (1906 World Series Championship & 1901 American League Pennant *)  * = No 1901 World Series.
4. .527 Ron Schuler (817-734-3 +83) (1991-2000)
5. .521 Kenny Williams (1014-931-0 +83) (2001-2012) (2005 World Series Championship)
6. .518 Frank Lane (559-519-9 +40) (1949-1955)
7. .508 Stu Holcomb (243-235-0 +8) (1971-1973)
8. .504 Ed Short (735-723-1 +12) (1962-1970)
9. .491 Roland Hemond (922-957-6 -35) (1974-1985)
10. .487 Harry Grabiner (2285-2408-27 -123) (1915-1945) (1917 World Series Championship & 1919 American League Pennant)
11. .481 Larry Himes (311-335-0 -24) (1987-1990)
12. .461 Rick Hahn (700-817-0 -117) (2013-2022)
13. .444 Hawk Harrelson (72-90-0 -18) (1986)
14. .425 Leslie O'Connor (195-265-4 -70) (1946-1948)

Team Regular Season Records (2013-2022) ($xxx.xM = Average Payroll per Baseball Cube) (Postseason 2022 TBD)

1. .613 Los Angeles N. L. (931-588) ($222.2M) (2020 World Series Championship; 2018 National League Pennant; 2017 National League Pennant)
2. .565 New York A. L. (858-660) ($207.7M)
3. .560 Saint Louis (848-666) ($144.4M) (2013 National League Pennant)
4. .557 Cleveland (845-671) ($92.1M) (2016 American League Pennant)
5. .548 Houston (832-686) ($124.3M) (2017 World Series Championship; 2021 American League Pennant; 2019 American League Pennant)
6. .539 Boston (818-700) ($182.4M) (2018 World Series Championship; 2013 World Series Championship)
7. .533 Tampa Bay (809-710) ($69.0M) (2020 American League Pennant)
8. .523 Atlanta (793-723) ( $120.4M) (2021 World Series Championship)
9. .520 Chicago N. L. (789-728) ($152.9M) (2016 World Series Championship)
10. .513 Washington (778-740) ($152.8M) (2019 World Series Championship)
11. .512 Milwaukee (778-741) ($95.2M)
12. .509 Oakland (772-746) ($76.0M)
13. .507 Toronto (770-748) ($134.2M)
14. .506 Seattle (763-746) ($116.0M)
15. .505 New York N. L. (767-751) ($148.4M) (2015 National League Pennant)
16. .505 San Francisco (766-752) ($163.5M) (2014 World Series Championship)
17. .490 Los Angeles A. L. (743-775) ($163.4M)
18. .480 Minnesota (729-789) ($111.1M)
19. .479 Pittsburgh (726-790) ($71.6M)
20. .471 Texas (714-803) ($139.0M)
21. .470 Kansas City (713-805) ($104.3M) (2015 World Series Championship; 2014 American League Pennant)
22. .466 San Diego (707-811) ($113.7M)
23. .464 Arizona (704-814) ($97.3M)
24. .464 Philadelphia (704-814) ($145.0M)
25. .461 Chicago A. L. (700-817) ($115.2M)
26. .461 Colorado (700-818) ($115.8M)
27. .453 Baltimore (687-831) ($99.4M)
28. .452 Detroit (684-829) ($141.7M)
29. .451 Cincinnati (684-834) ($112.4M)
30. .431 Miami (653-863) ($71.4M)

Too bad Himes didn’t have Hahn’s leash.  He acquired Thomas, Ventura, McDowell, Fernandez, Álvarez, Johnson, Bere.  That team probably would have won the World Series in 1994 if it weren’t for the their owner sabotaging the season.

[bmags]

It's a shame it is so hard to track free agent acquisitions, really hard given they are tracked at an org level and trying to sift through ST invites, etc. Would love to have kept track of Hahn's total acquired WAR through FA vs. money spent and compare to other teams.

[T R U]

Soxtalk: Is there no way we can get rid of him?

JR: Not without cause Soxtalk.

Soxtalk: I have cause, it is be-cause I hate him.

[Lip Man 1]

43 minutes ago, bmags said:

It's a shame it is so hard to track free agent acquisitions, really hard given they are tracked at an org level and trying to sift through ST invites, etc. Would love to have kept track of Hahn's total acquired WAR through FA vs. money spent and compare to other teams.

A few months ago I saw where someone had done this at another site. They had every transaction that Hahn did since he took over. I'm sorry I can't find it now but as you would expect the vast majority, overwhelmingly when the player came to the Sox they put up a negative WAR for their time here. 

That of course also reflects the poor scouting and opinions that he gets from others in the organization.

[South Side Hit Men]

2 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said:

If Rick Hahn had won 100 regular season games and the world series this year, and 100 regular season games and the world series last year, he would still rank exactly the same in comparison to other White Sox GMs, but rank slightly better at 20th out of 30 compared to other GMs in baseball.

If he had lost 100 games this year instead of going 81-81, he would still rank exactly the same in comparison to other White Sox GMs, and rank 29th out of 30 compared to other GMs in baseball. 

In other words, there was NOTHING Hahn could really have done this season or last to substatively change these rankings, so how does this have any meaning with regards to his performance in this particular season? I'm not criticizing, just wondering out loud. 

If he did everything right, he's aggregately as bad a GM as if he did everything wrong.  

Tony La Russa took accountability Monday. Stated you are what your record is, and said this season was a failure.

Tony La Russa produced the only winning full season in Hahn’s career, wasn’t around for the other eight.

Hahn / the Sox also doesn’t move up much in the decade standings if you remove the three tanking years from his record. Still under .500, still no postseason success, but with a higher average payroll to consider.

Houston, the Cubs and other teams also tanked during this period, but unlike the Sox have success during both regular season and postseason to show for it.

Hahn’s White Sox are 18 percentage points behind the Pittsburgh Pirates with a $40M higher annual payroll. That right there tells it all. I’d like the press to ask him what criteria does Hahn think he should remain when his teams average 18 percentage points each and every year behind the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Edited October 6, 2022 by South Side Hit Men

[Greg Hibbard]

6 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Tony La Russa took accountability Monday. Stated you are what your record is, and said this season was a failure.

Tony La Russa produced the only winning full season in Hahn’s career, wasn’t around for the other eight.

Hahn / the Sox also doesn’t move up much in the decade standings if you remove the three tanking years from his record. Still under .500, still no postseason success, but with a higher average payroll to consider.

Houston, the Cubs and other teams also ranked during this period, but unlike the Sox have success both regular season and postseason to show for it.

Hahn’s White Sox are 18 percentage points behind the Pittsburgh Pirates with a $40M higher annual payroll. That right there tells it all. I’d like the press to ask him what criteria does Hahn think he should remain when his teams average 18 percentage points each and every year behind the Pittsburgh Pirates.

Just to be clear - if Rick Hahn had won 100 games and the world series this year, you would want him to replaced, right? He would still be percentage points worse than the Pirates. 

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, Greg Hibbard said:

Just to be clear - if Rick Hahn had won 100 games and the world series this year, you would want him to replaced, right? He would still be percentage points worse than the Pirates. 

This is not unlike the Hahn argument he had executive of the year votes LAST season and the year before...

[Greg Hibbard]

5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

This is not unlike the Hahn argument he had executive of the year votes LAST season and the year before...

I think my point is that Hahn shouldn't be evaluated either way on the basis of his overall record, because his overall record would have sucked whether he had been as bad as this or won world series all three years from 2020-2022. On the basis of his lack of playoff and divisional success, he should absolutely be evaluated. And buried. 

[Balta1701]

12 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

Just to be clear - if Rick Hahn had won 100 games and the world series this year, you would want him to replaced, right? He would still be percentage points worse than the Pirates. 

Ironically the Pirates replaced their GM for various failures during that 10 year stretch. However, unlike the example you gave, the Pirates did not win the World Series over that time, in fact they lost in the wild card round a couple times and never advanced. Big difference in having that title, or even playoff success, wouldn't you agree?

[South Side Hit Men]

16 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

Just to be clear - if Rick Hahn had won 100 games and the world series this year, you would want him to replaced, right? He would still be percentage points worse than the Pirates. 

Just to be clear, I would have posted that I have historically been very critical about Hahn, wanted him fired since 2016, but I would say I was completely and utterly wrong and open to eating any and all crow about my prior opinion.

Even if they fell short of a World Series and “only” won a pennant or were competitive in an ALCS, I would have tipped my cap, because Hahn at least delivered on a legitimate contender.

I was one of the few here criticizing his 2020 award and the contracts given to Grandal and Keuchel in real time. I took a lot of heat, but stood by my logic and reasons why the roster construction and priorities were a poor fit for a team trying to have a “multi-championship” window on a Top 10ish payroll.

Time is precious. They already pissed away the past two seasons. You can’t waste anymore of it with Hahn.

Edited October 6, 2022 by South Side Hit Men

[Balta1701]

4 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

I think my point is that Hahn shouldn't be evaluated either way on the basis of his overall record, because his overall record would have sucked whether he had been as bad as this or won world series all three years from 2020-2022. On the basis of his lack of playoff and divisional success, he should absolutely be evaluated. And buried. 

I think we're smart enough to take both his career record and the circumstances into account. For example, he's made the playoffs twice, but he's been "Going for it" in 6 of those years, 4 different times he's thought he had a playoff team, added players, spent money, and traded away players to try to win now, and missed the playoffs. Even giving him a break on the rebuilding years, that's just absolutely awful. Most GMs get to do that once, maybe twice. 

This is where I get to saying that most teams in the league would have fired Hahn 4 times so far, with a good fraction firing him 5 times. 

[bmags]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

A few months ago I saw where someone had done this at another site. They had every transaction that Hahn did since he took over. I'm sorry I can't find it now but as you would expect the vast majority, overwhelmingly when the player came to the Sox they put up a negative WAR for their time here. 

That of course also reflects the poor scouting and opinions that he gets from others in the organization.

I'm going to guess soxmachine, i'll take a look.

[South Side Hit Men]

5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I think we're smart enough to take both his career record and the circumstances into account. For example, he's made the playoffs twice, but he's been "Going for it" in 6 of those years, 4 different times he's thought he had a playoff team, added players, spent money, and traded away players to try to win now, and missed the playoffs. Even giving him a break on the rebuilding years, that's just absolutely awful. Most GMs get to do that once, maybe twice. 

This is where I get to saying that most teams in the league would have fired Hahn 4 times so far, with a good fraction firing him 5 times. 

Beyond being significantly behind the Pirates, I also find it amusing the epically bad Arizona Diamondback team, stuck with Tony La Russa, his vetenarian run analytics department, and GM unable to file standard league paperwork correctly, are also ahead of the Sox.

The only team which should be more embarrassed are the Tigers, who have spent more and done less.

[shago]

21 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

I think my point is that Hahn shouldn't be evaluated either way on the basis of his overall record, because his overall record would have sucked whether he had been as bad as this or won world series all three years from 2020-2022. On the basis of his lack of playoff and divisional success, he should absolutely be evaluated. And buried. 

In other words, no matter how you choose to evaluate the guy, he absolutely sucks and is one of the worst GMs in baseball history, yet here he still is...

[South Side Hit Men]

30 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

I think my point is that Hahn shouldn't be evaluated either way on the basis of his overall record, because his overall record would have sucked whether he had been as bad as this or won world series all three years from 2020-2022. On the basis of his lack of playoff and divisional success, he should absolutely be evaluated. And buried. 

Not to be critical of your post which has merit, but want to clarify a point regarding my analysis and sticking solely with WS and Pennants.

I don’t use divisional or playoff appearances in my analysis because they do not translate over the majority of years MLB existed (69 League Based, 53 years Divisional). The Sox could/would have had many playoff appearances if they split the American League in two, based on 4-5 team divisions.

The other point is the fact that Harry Grabiner may have finished with one of the best records in Sox history if his entire core, acquitted in a court of law, were not banned for life. Landis’ destruction of the White Sox devastated the organization for decades.

[Greg Hibbard]

38 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Not to be critical of your post which has merit, but want to clarify a point regarding my analysis and sticking solely with WS and Pennants.

I don’t use divisional or playoff appearances in my analysis because they do not translate over the majority of years MLB existed (69 League Based, 53 years Divisional). The Sox could/would have had many playoff appearances if they split the American League in two, based on 4-5 team divisions.

The other point is the fact that Harry Grabiner may have finished with one of the best records in Sox history if his entire core, acquitted in a court of law, were not banned for life. Landis’ destruction of the White Sox devastated the organization for decades.

I think that's an excellent point about evaluating the differences between Sox GMs w/r/t playoff appearances. However, compared to other orgs in the 2000s, the Sox are I believe one of 10 or 11 teams who have made the playoffs 5+ times and won at least 1 WS. 

Of course, I think we all know 2005 was an BIG outlier. Everyone had career years, everything clicked at exactly the same time, and then you have AJ's play, the starter dominance, Jenks' emergence, Crazy Carl fitting in and filling in for Frank, it just all worked. It had nothing to do with GM savviness, it had to do with luckboxing. 

[soulfly]

15 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

I think that's an excellent point about evaluating the differences between Sox GMs w/r/t playoff appearances. However, compared to other orgs in the 2000s, the Sox are I believe one of 10 or 11 teams who have made the playoffs 5+ times and won at least 1 WS. 

Of course, I think we all know 2005 was an BIG outlier. Everyone had career years, everything clicked at exactly the same time, and then you have AJ's play, the starter dominance, Jenks' emergence, Crazy Carl fitting in and filling in for Frank, it just all worked. It had nothing to do with GM savviness, it had to do with luckboxing. 

It is truly amazing for me to see some Sox fans continually s%*# on the '05 team over and over again.  We got to see one of the best teams in the past 50+ years go wire to wire and win it all and people still say things like this.  A team going wire to wire isn't luckboxing.  But this post sums up why most of you that s%*# on that team don't deserve to see another team make it to the World Series cause you can't appreciate a goddamn thing.  Absolutely baffling. 

If you view the '05 team that way, these past few years had to make your head absolutely explode.

[Greg Hibbard]

11 minutes ago, soulfly said:

It is truly amazing for me to see some Sox fans continually s%*# on the '05 team over and over again.  We got to see one of the best teams in the past 50+ years go wire to wire and win it all and people still say things like this.  A team going wire to wire isn't luckboxing.  But this post sums up why most of you that s%*# on that team don't deserve to see another team make it to the World Series cause you can't appreciate a goddamn thing.  Absolutely baffling. 

If you view the '05 team that way, these past few years had to make your head absolutely explode.

Not in the slightest. I’m not shitting on the 05 team, I’m stating that literally every break that year that could have gone their way went their way. When they needed a player to come up clutch, when a crazy play had to go their way, even when Ozzie rolled the dice on things like Buehrle closing. Scott podsednik hitting his first home run of the season to win a World Series game. I love the 05 team, but everything went their way. I don’t know a single Sox fan that wouldn’t concede that if AJ hadn’t stolen game 2, the ALCS turns out completely differently. 

[South Side Hit Men]

34 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

I think that's an excellent point about evaluating the differences between Sox GMs w/r/t playoff appearances. However, compared to other orgs in the 2000s, the Sox are I believe one of 10 or 11 teams who have made the playoffs 5+ times and won at least 1 WS. 

Of course, I think we all know 2005 was an BIG outlier. Everyone had career years, everything clicked at exactly the same time, and then you have AJ's play, the starter dominance, Jenks' emergence, Crazy Carl fitting in and filling in for Frank, it just all worked. It had nothing to do with GM savviness, it had to do with luckboxing. 

Kenny had a plan and a much smaller budget (14th) than what Rick has had to work with (7th).  Kenny was able to identify several low priced veterans which still had the desire and ability to contribute. The pitching staff he assembled is among the greatest assembled in the 50+ years of division based playoffs. 

Rick Hahn also signed a couple solid bargain veterans (Cueto, Elvis), but not the level of a Postseason MVP and the other stars assembled by Kenny. Most of Hahn's veterans came at an above market rate. There were no reported bids close to what Hahn handed Keuchel and Grandal. People blame Tony for the FA mess, but Tony was with Anaheim when $12M Parrot and $6M on Cishek were signed. Not to mention the $50M he pissed away on Herrera, Alonso and Castillo while tanking.

[Balta1701]

37 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said:

Not in the slightest. I’m not shitting on the 05 team, I’m stating that literally every break that year that could have gone their way went their way. When they needed a player to come up clutch, when a crazy play had to go their way, even when Ozzie rolled the dice on things like Buehrle closing. Scott podsednik hitting his first home run of the season to win a World Series game. I love the 05 team, but everything went their way. I don’t know a single Sox fan that wouldn’t concede that if AJ hadn’t stolen game 2, the ALCS turns out completely differently. 

Literally every single world series winner you can write that about. Stephen Strasburg shredded everything about his body right after the 2019 world series, he has pitched 31.1 innings since winning WS MVP. Had that injury occurred in 2019, boom Nationals never win a title. Where are the Braves last year if McCullers doesn't get hurt? The Dodgers starters in the series against Atlanta were Joe Kelly (Yes that one), Urias, Knebel, Scherzer, and Buehler twice. Note - no Kershaw, no May, no Bauer for reasons. The Braves got awfully lucky in their opponents pitching staffs.

The 2005 White Sox were really well put together. But they were not the only really well put together White Sox team of that decade. The next year the team won what, 91 games? The team had 3 playoff appearances in 9 seasons, barely missed a 4th. Out of 9 seasons from 2000-2008, they finished under .500 once and .500 once - that's over .500 7 times in 9 years. With the expanded playoffs now, that's a setup that would have a team in the playoffs 5 or 6 times. A team having everything come together one season when they're quite good for a decade is always somewhat lucky, but it's also luck that the team made. Unlike the current GM, they even seemed to learn from their mistakes - '05 they went with a team that was deeper and stronger on defense than the previous years, and they fixed the 5th/6th starter spots that were costing them in previous years. 

For the White Sox to match that performance, they have to be over .500 in 5 of the next 6 years, and if they did that, I think there's a good chance there's a deep playoff run in there. That was basically the rebuild strategy, in fact - have a core that could still be contributing in 2026, 2027, so that the team has a number of chances at making the playoffs and going on a run, since things become quite random at the end of the season. And there would be compliments towards the General Manager for sustaining success for that long.

[South Side Hit Men]

8 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

The 2005 White Sox were really well put together. But they were not the only really well put together White Sox team of that decade. The next year the team won what, 91 games? The team had 4 playoff appearances in 9 seasons, barely missed a 5th. Out of 9 seasons from 2000-2008, they finished under .500 once and .500 once - that's over .500 7 times in 9 years. With the expanded playoffs now, that's a setup that would have a team in the playoffs 5 or 6 times. A team having everything come together one season when they're quite good for a decade is always somewhat lucky, but it's also luck that the team made.

For the White Sox to match that performance, they have to be over .500 in 5 of the next 6 years, and if they did that, I think there's a good chance there's a deep playoff run in there. That was basically the rebuild strategy, in fact - have a core that could still be contributing in 2026, 2027. And there would be compliments towards the General Manager for sustaining success for that long.

This is why time is of the essence. It isn't as much about somehow fixing roster and budget, it's about creating a successful domestic scouting, farm and player development system to create the legitimate window which should have occurred over this decade.

Jerry World Draft Picks who signed with the White Sox (Player, Year and Round Drafted, Career bWAR 10+ considered) Italics = Still Active

Hemond (5 years): Ron Karkovice (1982 R1 14.6); Doug Drabek (1983 R11 29.2).

Himes (4 Years): Jack McDowell (1987 R1 27.8); Robin Ventura (1988 R1 56.1); Frank Thomas (1989 R1 73.8); Alex Fernandez (1990 R1 28.5); Bob Wickman (1990 R2 16.9); Ray Durham (1990 R5 33.8)

Schueler (10 Years): Mike Cameron (1991 R18 46.7); Chad Bradford (1996 R13 10.1); Joe Crede (1996 R5 14.7); Aaron Rowand (1998 R1 20.9); Mark Buehrle (1998 R38 59.1)

Williams (12 Years): Chris Young (2001 R16 16.5); Brandon McCarthy (2002 R17 10.0); Gio Gonzalez (2004 R1 28.3); Marcus Semien (2008 R34 34.6); Chris Sale (2010 R1 45.5)

Hahn (10 Years): Tim Anderson (2013 R1 18.2); Carlos Rodon (2014 R1 16.7). Potential additional players: Madrigal (2018 R1 2.4); Vaughn (2019 R1 0.0); Crochet (2020 R1 1.5); Montgomery (2021 R1); Kath (2021 R2); Schultz (2022 R1).

[JoshPR]

5 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Too bad Himes didn’t have Hahn’s leash.  He acquired Thomas, Ventura, McDowell, Fernandez, Álvarez, Johnson, Bere.  That team probably would have won the World Series in 1994 if it weren’t for the their owner sabotaging the season.

That's the thing. A lot of schulers record is because of what himes built. Schuler was terrible