SoCalChiSox Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Makes me think Hendriks will look much more interesting now. Ok Dodgers.....Hendriks for Lux and Outman. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Exactly. It’s pathetic. At least have a plan, and several back ups. I don’t understand how a team supposedly in the contention window thinks another GM is going to propose something to help the White Sox win. It's clear with in all of his "Hahn Speak" that Rick thinks Tony was a huge problem and Pedro is going to be their "Big Addition." Like always, he's convinced himself he's smarter than everyone else. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 19 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Hahn doing nothing at the trade deadline, and perhaps the teams most popular player leaving you think would give this organization big incentive to make some news. And they will wonder about fan apathy. Don't worry, Rick was as disappointed as we all were, he told us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 40 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: This is telling me...no additions. They are banking on guys being healthy and rookies contributing. 2023 lineup R SS Anderson S 3B Moncada R DH/LF Eloy L Grandal R 1B Vaughn L DH/LF Sheets R CF Robert L RF Colas R 2B Sosa #SeatAtTheTable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
he gone. Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 i actually expect significant change. I think we'll see a trade of: Giolito Hendriks Grandal (tying them to one of the above for a lesser return - though i hope not) and then one of Eloy, Anderson, Robert I think we see a massive reshuffle. And there will be significant talent exchanged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Tony said: It's clear with in all of his "Hahn Speak" that Rick thinks Tony was a huge problem and Pedro is going to be their "Big Addition." Like always, he's convinced himself he's smarter than everyone else. God this is so accurate. Hahn wants to prove it was all Tony’s fault, whereas Jerry wants to prove it wasn’t. The only one who suffers are the fans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 The White Sox have to stop acting like they are the Pirates or Marlins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: How can you both believe in the talent and be open to significant change? As the kids say these days, tell me you don’t believe in the talent without telling me you don’t believe in the talent. Or is it, tell me you aren’t open to significant change without telling me you aren’t open to significant change. I suppose ultimately it’s tell me you don’t have a direction without telling me you don’t have a direction. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, he gone. said: i actually expect significant change. I think we'll see a trade of: Giolito Hendriks Grandal (tying them to one of the above for a lesser return - though i hope not) and then one of Eloy, Anderson, Robert I think we see a massive reshuffle. And there will be significant talent exchanged. If they were going to do this they would be doing it by now. The obvious mid-market pitchers who you might sign with that money to replace Giolito are leaving the market right now. The reliever market is genuinely dwindling and they’re not going to trade Hendriks to leave their bullpen open. They’re not going to trade all those guys away and start a new rebuild after the winter meetings are already over either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, fathom said: God this is so accurate. Hahn wants to prove it was all Tony’s fault, whereas Jerry wants to prove it wasn’t. The only one who suffers are the fans. None of what Hahn said is "wrong" and these quotes are to be expected...but when you understand what took place with La Russa, and seeing their lack of activity this offseason, it becomes clear Pedro is expected to work wonders, and clearly Hahn believes La Russa actually cost them more than a handful of wins. The better approach would be to, you know, hire a new manager AND make impact additions to a team that finished .500 in their "World Series Window" but f*** me, right? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The White Sox have to stop acting like they are the Pirates or Marlins. Won’t happen till Jerry is gone one way or another 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, he gone. said: i actually expect significant change. I think we'll see a trade of: Giolito Hendriks Grandal (tying them to one of the above for a lesser return - though i hope not) and then one of Eloy, Anderson, Robert I think we see a massive reshuffle. And there will be significant talent exchanged. The one guy I see possibly going from that list is Eloy. And it could blow up in their faces. If he plays 145 games, he’s a 40 homer guy. Something they desperately need. But , if it takes him 2 or 3 seasons to play 145 games, not good. I could see them trading Eloy and using the savings, signing a guy like Gallo or Benetendi who has no power, but does something else the Sox need, work a count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Hahn threatens to trade your favorite player. Hahn can't trade your favorite player because they have little to no value. Hahn stands pat, adds nothing and hopes you are happy because he didn't trade your favorite player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The one guy I see possibly going from that list is Eloy. And it could blow up in their faces. If he plays 145 games, he’s a 40 homer guy. Something they desperately need. But , if it takes him 2 or 3 seasons to play 145 games, not good. I could see them trading Eloy and using the savings, signing a guy like Gallo or Benetendi who has no power, but does something else the Sox need, work a count. Eloy’s salary this year is only $6.5 million. That’s probably still less than Gallo gets and maybe half of a Benintendi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: BUT WAIT! I was told Hendriks would primarily be a salary dump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: This makes me way too happy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Eloy’s salary this year is only $6.5 million. That’s probably still less than Gallo gets and maybe half of a Benintendi. BR says $10.333 million. I think you could get Gallo for that or less. Benetendi slightly more but not enough where anyone in their right mind trying to win would say can’t do. Eloy is the only position player in the core they could trade, get something worthwhile back, and reasonably replace. I personally would hate to see him go. Edited December 7, 2022 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 It’s obvious to me when they mention possible out of character trades, they mean Hendriks, Giolito and Anderson. Eloy and Robert aren’t going anywhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Chisoxfn said: This just reeks of we have no strategy. There strategy is see what comes there way and react. Double talk...."Not looking to move any player...blah, blah, blah "open to significant change" Well how ya gonna do that Rick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: That's a very good deal...why couldn't we do that....oh wait I forgot Jerry I'd much rather have Clevinger at 12 million than Quintana. A year ago we wanted NOTHING to do with him again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'd much rather have Clevinger at 12 million than Quintana. A year ago we wanted NOTHING to do with him again He's really only had one bad year. Consistent as hell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-Train to 35th Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 29 minutes ago, RibbieRubarb said: This is telling me...no additions. They are banking on guys being healthy and rookies contributing. 2023 lineup R SS Anderson S 3B Moncada R DH/LF Eloy L Grandal R 1B Vaughn L DH/LF Sheets R CF Robert L RF Colas R 2B Sosa #SeatAtTheTable Hahn's seat is empty, he couldn't find the table either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If they were going to do this they would be doing it by now. The obvious mid-market pitchers who you might sign with that money to replace Giolito are leaving the market right now. The reliever market is genuinely dwindling and they’re not going to trade Hendriks to leave their bullpen open. They’re not going to trade all those guys away and start a new rebuild after the winter meetings are already over either. Perhaps they are stuck because they are up against the ceiling of their budget already and can't do anything until they shed payroll. If we know about the 180m budget, then other teams definitely do as well and are in no rush to help us shed salary as they figure they'll have better leverage against the FO if the market starts thinning out. So Hahn has to go out there and say he is open to significant change because that is the plan but since he's being squeezed simultaneously by both JR and other teams he has to also say "he believes in this group" as a way to save face in advance in case nothing materializes. It's not that they don't have a plan or don't know what they're doing, it's that RH is stuck and is trying to manuever his way out of it by reshaping the cash allocation of resources that TLR fucked up with all his RPs while operating within the confines of a stricter ceiling than anticipated and its not at all clear he can pull it off in one offseason when other teams know we are in a jam. Edited December 7, 2022 by SoCalChiSox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 7, 2022 Share Posted December 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Ok Dodgers.....Hendriks for Lux and Outman. This I would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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