Sarava Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: I never said that the cap doesn't exist, I said its design is to suppress player wages. I for one am very interested in how the Mets will fair after blowing past what any team has done before. I know their base and market is excited, deservedly so. You do it like other leagues. You negotiate a set % of revenues, which determines the cap and cap floor. While I firmly believe teams are making gobs of money and in general should spend more. I don't think they can be blamed for not spending at the Mets level. I doubt revenues are that high to support a $420 mil payroll + tax (I think I heard 420 mil yesterday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, Sarava said: You do it like other leagues. You negotiate a set % of revenues, which determines the cap and cap floor. While I firmly believe teams are making gobs of money and in general should spend more. I don't think they can be blamed for not spending at the Mets level. I doubt revenues are that high to support a $420 mil payroll + tax (I think I heard 420 mil yesterday). I fear the Walmart type situation. Walmart comes to town and all the little businesses go under. Works great for the big guy...not so much for the little guy. Most baseball owners have personal wealth ranging from 1 billion to 4 billion. Cohen has wealth 5 to 20 times greater than his peers. Not exactly a fair fight. I don't want to turn the game into a battle of who can afford the biggest payroll. That's not good for the game, or the fan. I guess a league of 10 teams would work great for the players who make the cut, but two thirds of players will be left with no major league team to play for. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Sarava said: You do it like other leagues. You negotiate a set % of revenues, which determines the cap and cap floor. While I firmly believe teams are making gobs of money and in general should spend more. I don't think they can be blamed for not spending at the Mets level. I doubt revenues are that high to support a $420 mil payroll + tax (I think I heard 420 mil yesterday). It’s a touchy subject. The Blackhawks got burned and the cap probably cost them another cup or two because they couldn’t pay their guys due to it. I think what this shows is owners make a lot more money then they want to admit. It never made sense. Big time businessmen spending billions for a business that was lucky to turn a profit, and the teams value just keeps increasing. JR has run his team like a mom and pop hot dog stand for 42 years, constantly saying that he breaks even at best yet it’s worth probably more than 100 times what he paid for it. He chose profit over winning. Runs the team anything but the large market they are. Could you imagine how bad his teams would be in Tampa if the state of Illinois didn’t build him a new stadium? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) San Francisco Giants-Sean Manaea 2 years/25 million with an opt out in the first year of the deal. That's a nice affordable signing. Edited December 12, 2022 by PolishPrince34 Forgot the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 27 minutes ago, PolishPrince34 said: San Francisco Giants-Sean Manaea 2 years/25 million with an opt out in the first year of the deal. That's a nice affordable signing. He had a 5.00 era last year. He is slow start from the pen and 12 months from being on a spring training invite. The alleged impact from the bamtech windfall sure has changed the market. If everyone was rolling in the dough I can't see 25-30 million in extra revenue this season changing things this much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 That’s a good landing spot for Manaea. That ballpark should help him put up better numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, GREEDY said: He had a 5.00 era last year. He is slow start from the pen and 12 months from being on a spring training invite. The alleged impact from the bamtech windfall sure has changed the market. If everyone was rolling in the dough I can't see 25-30 million in extra revenue this season changing things this much. 12 months away from a spring training invite? HUH-Way off on that one. Edited December 12, 2022 by PolishPrince34 Forgot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Sarava said: You do it like other leagues. You negotiate a set % of revenues, which determines the cap and cap floor. While I firmly believe teams are making gobs of money and in general should spend more. I don't think they can be blamed for not spending at the Mets level. I doubt revenues are that high to support a $420 mil payroll + tax (I think I heard 420 mil yesterday). I agree that I don't envision multiple teams that would be willing to spend at the Mets (current) level, they could definitely spend more if they chose to do so. This is not directed at you but it's more of a general statement/thought I had, lets not act like if it were the White Sox spending gobs and gobs of money to bring in the best possible talent on the market that we'd be wanting a salary cap installed for "fairness". EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US would be loving them committing like that and it would be a "sucks to suck" for everyone else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREEDY Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, PolishPrince34 said: 12 months away from a spring training invite? HUH-Way off on that one. I mean he got 2 years guaranteed so that was tongue and cheek. In a year where the median era was under 4, if a veteran pitcher had a 5 era and then stunk it up in both the rotation and the pen the next year, he generally would be close to out of baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Manaea had two horrible outings last year. Take away the two outings against the Dodgers his numbers would read 3.92 ERA and 3.76 FIP. He's a solid pitcher would of loved to added him. Later on it was identified he was tipping his pitches. Edited December 12, 2022 by PolishPrince34 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: I agree that I don't envision multiple teams that would be willing to spend at the Mets (current) level, they could definitely spend more if they chose to do so. This is not directed at you but it's more of a general statement/thought I had, lets not act like if it were the White Sox spending gobs and gobs of money to bring in the best possible talent on the market that we'd be wanting a salary cap installed for "fairness". EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US would be loving them committing like that and it would be a "sucks to suck" for everyone else. Agree with you 100%. My issue is simply...it's not good for the long-term well-being of the sport. I would love Elon Musk to buy the WS and that would be the AL version of the Mets. It's a shame there isn't 30 of those types to go around. Maybe Leury could be a 20 million per year guy if that was the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Just now, poppysox said: Agree with you 100%. My issue is simply...it's not good for the long-term well-being of the sport. I would love Elon Musk to buy the WS and that would be the AL version of the Mets. It's a shame there isn't 30 of those types to go around. Maybe Leury could be a 20 million per year guy if that was the case. These $50M payrolls I feel are worse for the sport. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: These $50M payrolls I feel are worse for the sport. yep, steve cohen spending like a mad man should put additional pressure on the assholes who own the teams to actually spend money, not the other way around. more teams spending like they're actually trying to win seems like it would be better for the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, PolishPrince34 said: Manaea had two horrible outings last year. Take away the two outings against the Dodgers his numbers would read 3.92 ERA and 3.76 FIP. He's a solid pitcher would of loved to added him. Later on it was identified he was tipping his pitches. Manaea wasn't even in the starting rotation for the Padres in the playoffs. His stuff decreased a lot as the season went on. Similar to what happened with Clevinger. The difference was that Clevinger was coming off TJS and Manaea wasn't. Him wearing down as the season goes on has kind of been a theme with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, Kalapse said: yep, steve cohen spending like a mad man should put additional pressure on the assholes who own the teams to actually spend money, not the other way around. more teams spending like they're actually trying to win seems like it would be better for the sport. A salary floor would be more beneficial than a max. It's frustrating enough for us as Sox fans. Imagine being a Pirates fan. Imagine being a player and having a choice to play for a team like the Mets vs. a team like the Pirates. Pretty obvious why Reynolds wants out of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greek-konerko Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, hogan873 said: A salary floor would be more beneficial than a max. It's frustrating enough for us as Sox fans. Imagine being a Pirates fan. Imagine being a player and having a choice to play for a team like the Mets vs. a team like the Pirates. Pretty obvious why Reynolds wants out of there. Hello all,im not much lately cause of health reasons,illl try be online more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: These $50M payrolls I feel are worse for the sport. I agree that a floor is needed at approximately$150 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, poppysox said: I agree that a floor is needed at approximately$150 million. 100 million would do a ton to solve some issues as well.. Gotta spend it, they won't just waste it on dumb players, they'll try to sign the best guys they can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Whatever salary cap they have in football and hockey are working for the health of the sport in that it limits the dynasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 You tie profits to payroll; spend 50 mil on payroll then you get 50 mil cap in profit, rest goes to charity or the players. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bmags Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 I think right now sox fans are just on the short end of the stick. How many franchises feel hopeless? Probably us, rockies, oakland just because that relationship right now. If you are pitt, you know it isn't great, but ben cherington is extremely smart and basically helped create a successful boston core that lasted a decade. And boston couldn't keep em either. Tampa has competed. Milwaukee has competed. In many ways it's more competitive across cities than it is in the NBA, where the player salary compression reduces it to "where is the weather and city nicest". Given how many baseball players are from southeast/west coast, do you want the midwest teams only offering the same as florida teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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flavum Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Teams should be able to throw the white flag after the 7th or 8th inning. It’s no longer fun or funny to see a position player pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, flavum said: Teams should be able to throw the white flag after the 7th or 8th inning. It’s no longer fun or funny to see a position player pitch. I think you have to play it out, but I do agree with your other point, the position players pitching is tired and has to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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