hi8is Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 minute ago, maxjusttyped said: There's a reason Jerry tried to block Cohen from buying the Mets. He knew what was coming. Yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, fathom said: I will be shocked if Jerry doesn’t have someone already lined up that will have a similar philosophy towards how baseball teams should be owned. It took me a long time to shake the idea that I had always bought into...That Jerry may have ownership in the Bulls and White Sox, but baseball is his true love, and he is more focused on the White Sox as a result. He has a real sick relationship with baseball though. That's not love. It's abuse. Best case scenario, he's like Pepé Le Pew. He may 'love' baseball, but not appropriately in order to be a good owner. His loyalty is to his fat, moneyed peers. He could never ever relate to the White Sox fan in the seatd. He has never been able to convince people that he truly believes baseball is a public trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 8 hours ago, PolishPrince34 said: Mets $348 million/$420 million luxury tax. It’s getting out of hand The Met spend over 7+ times the money to spend as some of their rivals...and baseball claims to want competitive balance. A hard floor and a hard cap are needed before the game is given up for dead. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, poppysox said: The Met spend over 7+ times the money to spend as some of their rivals...and baseball claims to want competitive balance. A hard floor and a hard cap are needed before the game is given up for dead. Remember, the Pirates get an extra draft pick every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reiks12 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 11 hours ago, fathom said: Sadly that won’t help anything it makes me feel great when i pirate every sox game and spend 0 dollars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 3 hours ago, poppysox said: The Met spend over 7+ times the money to spend as some of their rivals...and baseball claims to want competitive balance. A hard floor and a hard cap are needed before the game is given up for dead. Caps just promote wage suppression of players. It's not the Mets fault that no other owners are willing to spend like they are. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 4 hours ago, poppysox said: The Met spend over 7+ times the money to spend as some of their rivals...and baseball claims to want competitive balance. A hard floor and a hard cap are needed before the game is given up for dead. A salary floor absolutely makes the most sense. Make it 100 million 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, poppysox said: The Met spend over 7+ times the money to spend as some of their rivals...and baseball claims to want competitive balance. A hard floor and a hard cap are needed before the game is given up for dead. I would want a higher cap though. Higher than luxury number but lower than where the Mets payroll currently is. There’s so much money in the game I can’t really get mad at an owner who wants to spend. Edited December 11, 2022 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 I've defended Bruce Levine in the past, but not anymore. He's a hack who needs yo hang em up. I've been waiting for the first shot at the fans. Sorry Bruce, they rebuilt. A decent amount showed up then. In 2020 when they first became pretty good, fans were not allowed to attend. In 2021, there was limited capacity for a portion of the year. Certainly it's not the fans fault only 2 million showed up to watch a mediocre at best product from whichever way you look. KW has used the same complaint. An amazing way to run a business. If a restaurant operated like that and said it would make better food after people came to support the s%*# they made, they would be done in a week. JR just keeps adding piles of money into his estate. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 11 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: There's a reason Jerry tried to block Cohen from buying the Mets. He knew what was coming. Wasn’t it because of the racketeering and insider trading? Cohen just blowing his ill gotten gains on the mets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 A hard cap might stop the richest of the rich teams from buying up every FA, but it does nothing to stop the cheap owners from pocketing revenue year after year and refusing to put out a competitive product. JR would love a cap I’m sure, but he would still have zero incentive to spend in FA. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: I would want a higher cap though. Higher than luxury number but lower than where the Mets payroll currently is. There’s so much money in the game I can’t really get mad at an owner who wants to spend. True...but the variance between the extremes is obviously leading to half the league can't compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: Caps just promote wage suppression of players. It's not the Mets fault that no other owners are willing to spend like they are. Then at the least have a higher bottom cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 6 hours ago, oldsox said: Remember, the Pirates get an extra draft pick every year. Yeah...that's a real equalizer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 17 minutes ago, poppysox said: Then at the least have a higher bottom cap. I think some sort of floor would be ideal, I'd prefer to not cap what a team could spend if they're willing to do so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Who gets luxury tax payouts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 1 hour ago, poppysox said: True...but the variance between the extremes is obviously leading to half the league can't compete. Rays will do just fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: Caps just promote wage suppression of players. It's not the Mets fault that no other owners are willing to spend like they are. Yep...what we need is a Cohen over in the AL. We can open each season with the World Series between the Mets and their AL counterparts. Then just play pickup games between everyone else. I never thought baseball would be dead before me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Folks the idea of a minimum payroll has been floated for years. The rub is the owners insistence that the only way they would consider a "floor" is with a salary cap. The MLBPA will NEVER agree to a cap...not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow. That is simply non-negotiable. I agree it's very unfair for fans of the Pirates, A's, Marlins to see their owners collect millions and millions of dollars every year in revenue sharing money then claim hardship and not field competitive clubs. Perhaps a better solution instead of talking about floors and ceilings would be for MLB to order those owners/teams to start being competitive or force them to sell to an owner or group who will spend the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 2 hours ago, poppysox said: Yep...what we need is a Cohen over in the AL. We can open each season with the World Series between the Mets and their AL counterparts. Then just play pickup games between everyone else. I never thought baseball would be dead before me. The AL does need a Cohen, preferably on the Southside sooner rather than later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 Yankees have been buying up FA for ages, are regularly tops in payroll, yet don't win the World Series every year. Nor do the Dodgers for that matter. Both have been doing it long before Cohen showed up on the scene. And somehow baseball isn't dead yet. Funny. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Yankees have been buying up FA for ages, are regularly tops in payroll, yet don't win the World Series every year. Nor do the Dodgers for that matter. Both have been doing it long before Cohen showed up on the scene. And somehow baseball isn't dead yet. Funny. That's the beauty of baseball. It's such a team sport it's impossible for one player to make or break a team. Does it make it easier? Sure, but we rarely see the best team win the whole thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeaseAndExist Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: Caps just promote wage suppression of players. It's not the Mets fault that no other owners are willing to spend like they are. The NBA and NFL have caps, somehow they work there. Destroying interest in your own sport by making competitiveness based on how cheap a billionaire is might not hurt in the short-term, but it's a bad long term play but the MLBPA. This new CBA just doubled down on a broken league. Having to hope JR sells, what a great sport this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 35 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said: The NBA and NFL have caps, somehow they work there. Destroying interest in your own sport by making competitiveness based on how cheap a billionaire is might not hurt in the short-term, but it's a bad long term play but the MLBPA. This new CBA just doubled down on a broken league. Having to hope JR sells, what a great sport this is. I never said that the cap doesn't exist, I said its design is to suppress player wages. I for one am very interested in how the Mets will fair after blowing past what any team has done before. I know their base and market is excited, deservedly so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1602090358833352706?s=20&t=V-tJqYKaYsuCi9CDm30gCA Huh, not sure why the tweet didn't load. Edited December 12, 2022 by CWSpalehoseCWS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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