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1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

So they've signed a couple of 2 year deals but nothing long term right? 

Looks like they're likely to be well under the tax so they avoid any multi-year penalties, they fill in holes and hope that Clevinger Kluber has a little left in him so that maybe they can make a run at the last wild card slot if things happen to go their way, but they avoid any multi-year deals that are likely to go bad in the end and their guys on short term deals are tradeable at the deadline to help them restock? Seems like a decent strategy to me if you're in the spot they were in - an older team, guys approaching FA, but not nearly enough depth to manage a legit contender. 

Except the AL East is going to be significantly harder to win than the AL Central.  Winning your division is pretty damn important in these expanded playoff days. 

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25 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Letting Boegarts go for a draft pick wasn't good. JD Martinez gets you a lottery ticket at the deadline in 2022 wouldn't he? Looks like they have pissed off Devers. Trevor Story looks like a mistake. Verdugo looks mediocre. It isn't a good team, yet they spend cash on Jansen. It's reminding me of the 2009-2015 White Sox way.

Not extending Betts when they had him = awful.

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5 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Except the AL East is going to be significantly harder to win than the AL Central.  Winning your division is pretty damn important in these expanded playoff days. 

I think Boston probably knows they're not up there with the elite teams and isn't trying to act like it. If they made the playoffs, that would probably be a big success for where they seem to be right now. 

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4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Except the AL East is going to be significantly harder to win than the AL Central.  Winning your division is pretty damn important in these expanded playoff days. 

So here is the thing, with the rebalancing of the schedule, while we play more of the other division teams, we still only have to be better than the teams in our division to make the playoffs. Where it will actually hurt is the teams who got fat off of beating their own division, and not against the others.  if you look at the games breakdown, the Sox and Cleveland had identical records against teams outside of their divisions in the AL.  Cleveland gained 10 games by being better against the AL Central, and 1 by being a single game better than the Sox against the NL.  Now some of those games are going away.  I think what this means is that instead of being a low to mid 90's win team, it is going to be more like 85 or 86 games to win the division, and the Guards biggest advantage was just neutralized.

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3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So here is the thing, with the rebalancing of the schedule, while we play more of the other division teams, we still only have to be better than the teams in our division to make the playoffs. Where it will actually hurt is the teams who got fat off of beating their own division, and not against the others.  if you look at the games breakdown, the Sox and Cleveland had identical records against teams outside of their divisions in the AL.  Cleveland gained 10 games by being better against the AL Central, and 1 by being a single game better than the Sox against the NL.  Now some of those games are going away.  I think what this means is that instead of being a low to mid 90's win team, it is going to be more like 85 or 86 games to win the division, and the Guards biggest advantage was just neutralized.

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That assumes the White Sox didn't get fat off of beating anyone in their division though. If we play that same game in 2021, the White Sox were 12 games above .500 against the AL Central, they only had a losing record against Kansas City. If the White Sox were .500 against the AL Central, they'd have only on 87 games that year as well. 

The White Sox have been 12-7 against Detroit each of the last 2 years. They got their tail handed to them in 2022 by Cleveland, to the tune of 7-12, but Detroit has been important to their record each of the last 2 years. Basically every time that people thought "They're finally turning it around" last year was thanks to a series against Detroit. Where are the White Sox with fewer games against Detroit?

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2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

That assumes the White Sox didn't get fat off of beating anyone in their division though. If we play that same game in 2021, the White Sox were 12 games above .500 against the AL Central, they only had a losing record against Kansas City. If the White Sox were .500 against the AL Central, they'd have only on 87 games that year as well. 

The White Sox have been 12-7 against Detroit each of the last 2 years. They got their tail handed to them in 2022 by Cleveland, to the tune of 7-12, but Detroit has been important to their record each of the last 2 years. Basically every time that people thought "They're finally turning it around" last year was thanks to a series against Detroit. Where are the White Sox with fewer games against Detroit?

Where is Cleveland with fewer games against the Sox?

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1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

Where is Cleveland with fewer games against the Sox?

They were 12-7 against the White Sox last year. That's why the White Sox wound up about .500 against their division - Cleveland balanced out Detroit (notably this also looks worse because the White Sox quit for that 6 game stretch against Cleveland and then Detroit in September, prior to that the White Sox were 12-4 against Detroit I believe). 

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1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

They were 12-7 against the White Sox last year. That's why the White Sox wound up about .500 against their division - Cleveland balanced out Detroit (notably this also looks worse because the White Sox quit for that 6 game stretch against Cleveland and then Detroit in September, prior to that the White Sox were 12-4 against Detroit I believe). 

So Cleveland losing a 10 game advantage is worse for the Sox.  Beautiful.

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4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The other good news is there will be more interleague games, and the White Sox have the 2nd best interleague record of all time.  

Cue Balta telling us why that doesn’t matter for us, but does for Cleveland. 

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1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

His 2022 stat line is at an OPS at less than Leury Garcia's career numbers.

He was awful last season. And hurt for most of it. Not suggesting we hand him the 2B job, but wouldn’t be a bad guy to bring in and compete for the job if they’re not going to acquire anyone of note. 

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2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

So here is the thing, with the rebalancing of the schedule, while we play more of the other division teams, we still only have to be better than the teams in our division to make the playoffs. Where it will actually hurt is the teams who got fat off of beating their own division, and not against the others.  if you look at the games breakdown, the Sox and Cleveland had identical records against teams outside of their divisions in the AL.  Cleveland gained 10 games by being better against the AL Central, and 1 by being a single game better than the Sox against the NL.  Now some of those games are going away.  I think what this means is that instead of being a low to mid 90's win team, it is going to be more like 85 or 86 games to win the division, and the Guards biggest advantage was just neutralized.

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This will be like the old AL West where .500 might buy you 2nd place. Unless the Royals can emulate the Guards or the other three start spending more money. 

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