ChiSox59 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: So they've signed a couple of 2 year deals but nothing long term right? Looks like they're likely to be well under the tax so they avoid any multi-year penalties, they fill in holes and hope that Clevinger Kluber has a little left in him so that maybe they can make a run at the last wild card slot if things happen to go their way, but they avoid any multi-year deals that are likely to go bad in the end and their guys on short term deals are tradeable at the deadline to help them restock? Seems like a decent strategy to me if you're in the spot they were in - an older team, guys approaching FA, but not nearly enough depth to manage a legit contender. Except the AL East is going to be significantly harder to win than the AL Central. Winning your division is pretty damn important in these expanded playoff days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: Letting Boegarts go for a draft pick wasn't good. JD Martinez gets you a lottery ticket at the deadline in 2022 wouldn't he? Looks like they have pissed off Devers. Trevor Story looks like a mistake. Verdugo looks mediocre. It isn't a good team, yet they spend cash on Jansen. It's reminding me of the 2009-2015 White Sox way. Not extending Betts when they had him = awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Except the AL East is going to be significantly harder to win than the AL Central. Winning your division is pretty damn important in these expanded playoff days. I think Boston probably knows they're not up there with the elite teams and isn't trying to act like it. If they made the playoffs, that would probably be a big success for where they seem to be right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Except the AL East is going to be significantly harder to win than the AL Central. Winning your division is pretty damn important in these expanded playoff days. So here is the thing, with the rebalancing of the schedule, while we play more of the other division teams, we still only have to be better than the teams in our division to make the playoffs. Where it will actually hurt is the teams who got fat off of beating their own division, and not against the others. if you look at the games breakdown, the Sox and Cleveland had identical records against teams outside of their divisions in the AL. Cleveland gained 10 games by being better against the AL Central, and 1 by being a single game better than the Sox against the NL. Now some of those games are going away. I think what this means is that instead of being a low to mid 90's win team, it is going to be more like 85 or 86 games to win the division, and the Guards biggest advantage was just neutralized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So here is the thing, with the rebalancing of the schedule, while we play more of the other division teams, we still only have to be better than the teams in our division to make the playoffs. Where it will actually hurt is the teams who got fat off of beating their own division, and not against the others. if you look at the games breakdown, the Sox and Cleveland had identical records against teams outside of their divisions in the AL. Cleveland gained 10 games by being better against the AL Central, and 1 by being a single game better than the Sox against the NL. Now some of those games are going away. I think what this means is that instead of being a low to mid 90's win team, it is going to be more like 85 or 86 games to win the division, and the Guards biggest advantage was just neutralized. That assumes the White Sox didn't get fat off of beating anyone in their division though. If we play that same game in 2021, the White Sox were 12 games above .500 against the AL Central, they only had a losing record against Kansas City. If the White Sox were .500 against the AL Central, they'd have only on 87 games that year as well. The White Sox have been 12-7 against Detroit each of the last 2 years. They got their tail handed to them in 2022 by Cleveland, to the tune of 7-12, but Detroit has been important to their record each of the last 2 years. Basically every time that people thought "They're finally turning it around" last year was thanks to a series against Detroit. Where are the White Sox with fewer games against Detroit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: That assumes the White Sox didn't get fat off of beating anyone in their division though. If we play that same game in 2021, the White Sox were 12 games above .500 against the AL Central, they only had a losing record against Kansas City. If the White Sox were .500 against the AL Central, they'd have only on 87 games that year as well. The White Sox have been 12-7 against Detroit each of the last 2 years. They got their tail handed to them in 2022 by Cleveland, to the tune of 7-12, but Detroit has been important to their record each of the last 2 years. Basically every time that people thought "They're finally turning it around" last year was thanks to a series against Detroit. Where are the White Sox with fewer games against Detroit? Where is Cleveland with fewer games against the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Where is Cleveland with fewer games against the Sox? They were 12-7 against the White Sox last year. That's why the White Sox wound up about .500 against their division - Cleveland balanced out Detroit (notably this also looks worse because the White Sox quit for that 6 game stretch against Cleveland and then Detroit in September, prior to that the White Sox were 12-4 against Detroit I believe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: They were 12-7 against the White Sox last year. That's why the White Sox wound up about .500 against their division - Cleveland balanced out Detroit (notably this also looks worse because the White Sox quit for that 6 game stretch against Cleveland and then Detroit in September, prior to that the White Sox were 12-4 against Detroit I believe). So Cleveland losing a 10 game advantage is worse for the Sox. Beautiful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So Cleveland losing a 10 game advantage is worse for the Sox. Beautiful. The other good news is there will be more interleague games, and the White Sox have the 2nd best interleague record of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: The other good news is there will be more interleague games, and the White Sox have the 2nd best interleague record of all time. Cue Balta telling us why that doesn’t matter for us, but does for Cleveland. Edited December 28, 2022 by ChiSox59 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChiSox59 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 LaStella DFAd. Sox should definitely try to get him on an milb deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Lastella is a DH at this point. I’m not interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: LaStella DFAd. Sox should definitely try to get him on an milb deal. His 2022 stat line is at an OPS at less than Leury Garcia's career numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Just now, southsider2k5 said: His 2022 stat line is at an OPS at less than Leury Garcia's career numbers. a minors deal or NRI, sure, shouldn't be anything more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: His 2022 stat line is at an OPS at less than Leury Garcia's career numbers. He was awful last season. And hurt for most of it. Not suggesting we hand him the 2B job, but wouldn’t be a bad guy to bring in and compete for the job if they’re not going to acquire anyone of note. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Anything more than a NRI makes little sense on Lastella. Health issues, no power, not good defensively (from what I see). The only thing he has going for him is he hit LH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) We have Leury as a back up and this guy is putting up similar numbers to Leury as ss2K posted ^..so no thanks. Try to aim higher than that. Edited December 28, 2022 by tray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 If Rick could pull this off, I'd be down. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 In just 26 attempts in the field last year, La Stella was -4 OAA. That… is unplayable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: If Rick could pull this off, I'd be down. Yeah, either a minors deal or a deal to trade our worse contract lol.. Those would be the only two instances that would make sense. Edited December 28, 2022 by Squirmin' for Yermin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, bmags said: In just 26 attempts in the field last year, La Stella was -4 OAA. That… is unplayable that seems like some kinda statistical fluke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 No way any White Sox can get back to what they were or what any of us hoped they were. But LaStella at age 34 is a prime candidate to snap back to his 2019 level. And his bad defense is just a statistical anomaly. Can’t be real. It’s only real if it’s bad and he’s a White Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 The White Sox need good players, not crap. LaStella is crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: So here is the thing, with the rebalancing of the schedule, while we play more of the other division teams, we still only have to be better than the teams in our division to make the playoffs. Where it will actually hurt is the teams who got fat off of beating their own division, and not against the others. if you look at the games breakdown, the Sox and Cleveland had identical records against teams outside of their divisions in the AL. Cleveland gained 10 games by being better against the AL Central, and 1 by being a single game better than the Sox against the NL. Now some of those games are going away. I think what this means is that instead of being a low to mid 90's win team, it is going to be more like 85 or 86 games to win the division, and the Guards biggest advantage was just neutralized. This will be like the old AL West where .500 might buy you 2nd place. Unless the Royals can emulate the Guards or the other three start spending more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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