Chick Mercedes Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It actually shows they went into this with an open mind, and adjusted to who they thought was the best candidate at the end of the day. I just want to know what the tiny quality in Pedro was that Jerry liked, that was held Venn diagram style in common with the good judgment of the Sox baseball people. Edited November 1, 2022 by Chick Mercedes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 hours ago, HOFHurt35 said: The Royals are far from a dumpster fire IMO. Didn't that dumpster fire kick the Sox ass this year in head to head competition ? Window ha! Couldn't even beat the Royals ! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Rick Hahn is full of s%*#. Glorified JR Mouthpiece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Looks like Griftol has been in the mix for every managerial job at all levels of baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Mildly optimistic they managed to hire a manager without any ties to the city or franchise. That said, unless they fix the roster it doesn't matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Are people really disliking this guy already, or are they just serial complainers? He’s a qualified manager who has been on a winning staff. I’m sold he’s going to be better than what we’ve had since “Good Ozzie”. 8 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 What is Grifol's opinion on outfield defense? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vote4Pedro Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, chw42 said: Looks like Griftol has been in the mix for every managerial job at all levels of baseball And didn’t blow anyone else away except for Sox management/ownership 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I can get behind Grifol. Like the Montoyo hire too. Going to be optimistic on this until he proves me otherwise, but I love the analytical approach and HR talk so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Vote4Pedro said: And didn’t blow anyone else away except for Sox management/ownership You can say that about anyone really. Espada didn't blow anyone away. Qyuattro finally blew someone away. This guy sounds good. If Dayton Moore provided the Astros roster, this board would be going crazy over this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Vote4Pedro said: Is there a window anymore? Or are they waiving the White Flag with this hire and starting another rebuild. Another potential reason for not having Sox Fest? If you can get most of the guys playing back to their career norms this team looks a lot more like 2020 and 21, versus 2022. I don't know if it is enough to over take Cleveland, but depending on what this team does in the next 4 months, I think they can push into the low 90s for wins if the players buy in and we have a good winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Vote4Pedro said: And didn’t blow anyone else away except for Sox management/ownership If the earlier quote is right, Grifol is probably the Tigers manager if the Sox don't blow off Hinch for TLR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) I am glad that talking heads on Twitter were wrong again and that their “reporting” was nothing more than a waste of time. I don’t have much to go off of when it comes to hiring Pedro Grifol. The positives include that he seems to understand analytics, he comes from a division opponent that has kicked our ass from time to time, he will get input on a new coaching staff and they didn’t hire someone from within or with ties to the organization. The negative comes from the fact that they didn’t hire someone with recent post season experience. I would have liked to know why they didn’t hire Espada, Mendoza or Long. But that point is moot now. The success of his managerial career depends on reshaping this roster. Edited November 1, 2022 by The Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, flavum said: Are people really disliking this guy already, or are they just serial complainers? He’s a qualified manager who has been on a winning staff. I’m sold he’s going to be better than what we’ve had since “Good Ozzie”. Look, I have been about as pissy as it gets for the last two seasons, but this is a legitimate break from what we have seen for the last two years. If that doesn't make you feel a bit better, you are probably rooting for the wrong team as it might never be better than this. I mean this could legitimately be the high water mark for the Pedro Grifol era, but it is a big step up in the world from the TLR era.q 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, flavum said: Are people really disliking this guy already, or are they just serial complainers? He’s a qualified manager who has been on a winning staff. I’m sold he’s going to be better than what we’ve had since “Good Ozzie”. The royals haven’t had a winning record since 2015. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Cons: Royals org Pro: His analytics stance, his non-Menechinan home run stance, Spanish-speaking, bringing an experienced manager as a bench coach, canning the non-Katz staff. I'm cool with it for now. Feeling a lot better than I was before, even if it is just snippets people are dumping in here to hype him up. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Except for the fact the sox have a tiny analytics department and invest poorly there and rick hahn and company were recently offering 65k for a Data engineer. Listening to analytics is good, assuming you have good analytics to listen too. BINGO. Sox always late to the party and don't bring a bottle for the hosts. Let's hire an analytics minded guy right after they ban the shift ! Ok I know there are a lot of other analytics out there but just another one of those seeds of failure planted long ago that doomed the rebuild. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I don't know how anyone can be upset. I want to hate the hire, but every little nugget on this guy is excellent. Plus doing some clean up with the coaching staff? What's not to like? Who out there is clearly better? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 Just now, ShoeLessRob said: The royals haven’t had a winning record since 2015. He was with the Royals organization in 14/15. I’m considering that recent enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Quin said: Cons: Royals org Pro: His analytics stance, his non-Menechinan home run stance, Spanish-speaking, bringing an experienced manager as a bench coach, canning the non-Katz staff. I'm cool with it for now. Feeling a lot better than I was before, even if it is just snippets people are dumping in here to hype him up. Frank is going to go, but I don't know if the lack of HR was really his philosophy or Tony's. Its what Tony told Pujols as a young player. Apparently, Tony thinks everyone can be like him. Yes, it's damning Frank was the coach with the singles teams with 2 organizations, but he also was the hitting coach when Stanton hit 59 and Ozuna hit 37, and the 2020 White Sox were cranking them out like nobody's business. Edited November 1, 2022 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: It's not TLR, it's not Ozzie, it's not a former player who is not actively coaching (AJ, Thome, Getz, Paulie, etc). Solid. Valid points, but it just screams "Will not rock the boat" to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 I know nothing other than he's a long time Royals guy, but that's not exactly inspiring. Insular org goes with the weakest candidate that won't call them on their toxic BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: What is Grifol's opinion on outfield defense? Hey they moved Soler to dh in 2019! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, bmags said: Hey they moved Soler to dh in 2019! Eloy in shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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