Texsox Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 While I'm kinda hoping for a big name free agent signing (once a decade) I know multiple upgrades is more efficient. Reality is I'm expecting the usual wait until players get desperate and then sign whoever is left over for before market contacts. White Sox baseball, we make magic from leftovers™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Adam Frazier makes a lot of sense as a 2B and LF. Could use him in a versatile role and has a LH bat and would come cheaper due to his down year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 12 minutes ago, Texsox said: While I'm kinda hoping for a big name free agent signing (once a decade) I know multiple upgrades is more efficient. Reality is I'm expecting the usual wait until players get desperate and then sign whoever is left over for before market contacts. White Sox baseball, we make magic from leftovers™ A White Sox baseball guide to free agency....you're kinda not hungry anymore but feel a little queasy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Rather than their usual patchwork, I'd prefer "let the kids play", literally. Sosa at 2B and Colas in RF. Eloy to LF (unfortunately). Burger/Sheets/Grandal at DH. Sign Kiermaier as the #4 defensive replacement OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 55 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Adam Frazier makes a lot of sense as a 2B and LF. Could use him in a versatile role and has a LH bat and would come cheaper due to his down year This franchise will be so much better off seeing if sosa/romy can fill this role. And even batting right handed, I bet they can come close to Frazier's 84 wRC+ last year in the AL. Plus Romy/Sosa come with some much better power possibilities which this team desperately needs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 I think you're better off either signing folks at the top of the market like Judge or Correa or bargain shopping the leftovers like Cueto last year. The real sucker's bet is the consolation prize shelf of mediocre yet cromulent-seeming players that are often priced for that "fill multiple needs" approach. Case in point, the Wheeler signing aged way better than the Keuchel signing. Better to spend more upfront than waste it all on the back end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 2 hours ago, bmags said: This franchise will be so much better off seeing if sosa/romy can fill this role. And even batting right handed, I bet they can come close to Frazier's 84 wRC+ last year in the AL. Plus Romy/Sosa come with some much better power possibilities which this team desperately needs. I guess I am more so saying if we lose out on all other LF options (Conforto, Bellinger, Benintendi), then Frazier makes sense for 80 starts in LF and 40 at 2B. akak not set at a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 (edited) Rick Hahn trying to figure out how to afford more bullpen arms while continuing to ignore the outfield. Edited November 22, 2022 by ShoeLessRob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 20 hours ago, HOFHurt35 said: Rather than their usual patchwork, I'd prefer "let the kids play", literally. Sosa at 2B and Colas in RF. Eloy to LF (unfortunately). Burger/Sheets/Grandal at DH. Sign Kiermaier as the #4 defensive replacement OF. So basically punt the 2023 season? If so, why not sell? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: So basically punt the 2023 season? If so, why not sell? Why is letting talented kids play punting ? I've been recommending it a lot as you know. The position player core has been a disaster. JR disaster, Hahn disaster, TLR disaster, defense disaster, power disaster, team speed and base running disaster. You can't fix everything wrong with this team this off-season unless the core all play where they are supposed to, stay healthy and rebound from poor seasons to get at least 2 WAR out of some of them and higher from others. Need some career years from guys who haven't had career years yet like Eloy, Robert. Vaughn , Kopech. Need bouncebacks from Moncada, Grandal , Giolito and Anderson. Kelly has to be way better. Lopez may have to be a closer in order to get some money. They need playoff quality depth at starting pitching. Why the heck do you think I've been recommending AAA OFers with high upside offensive but already good defensive skills and speed. Like it or not the Sox need to get better on the little things that mean a lot defense ,speed, youth. Maybe you've enjoyed Hahn repeatedly doing the high mileage high cost veteran flop every trade he makes while letting young guys go. That's worked wonders hasn't it ? Put in a old manager hired by the old owner, get old players and play guys out of position and you get a team that looks old and slow with the health of old folks. Now all we hear are names like Gallo , Bellringer and others who best years are behind them. Wake up !! The team needs some youthful energy. Energy has been a key word when Grifol talks about how they played last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 First off, I was responding to HOF’s plan, where the only positional addition is an aging 4th OF and requires relying on a bunch of 1B/DH types in the OF. If that is the plan, then blow this thing the f*** up. This “kids can play” idea is sounds like Jerry’s dream for suppressing payroll. In regards to your plan, I don’t think banking on a bunch of athletic but fringe outfield prospects is going to move the needle. Other than Outman, who is the definition of high variance, I’m not all that excited about any of the names you mentioned. You keep going on & on about athleticism, but other than bigger bases I’m not sure what rule changes suddenly make these guys this hot commodity. Yes, defense is important and has been incredibly undervalued by Hahn but so is hitting the baseball. I’m not convinced any of these guys will be average major league hitters. If we were rebuilding, I’d be all over Outman, but trotting out a trio of unproven OFs doesn’t make sense if we’re going for it. We should be giving Colas a shot in RF and pairing him with a veteran. You claim the best years are behind Conforto, Bellinger, & Gallo, but at least these guys are still young and have hit major league pitching in the past. The chances of them being successful is considerably higher than the guys you are seeking. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Free agent prices are too f%$&ing high!!!.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 23 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Adam Frazier makes a lot of sense as a 2B and LF. Could use him in a versatile role and has a LH bat and would come cheaper due to his down year question is, was his down year just your typical regression/age, or was it due to a league change/unfamiliarity with AL pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox80 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 22 hours ago, Timmy U said: I think you're better off either signing folks at the top of the market like Judge or Correa or bargain shopping the leftovers like Cueto last year. The real sucker's bet is the consolation prize shelf of mediocre yet cromulent-seeming players that are often priced for that "fill multiple needs" approach. Case in point, the Wheeler signing aged way better than the Keuchel signing. Better to spend more upfront than waste it all on the back end. Tripping over a 20 to pick up a dollar is the white sox mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 23 hours ago, Timmy U said: I think you're better off either signing folks at the top of the market like Judge or Correa or bargain shopping the leftovers like Cueto last year. The real sucker's bet is the consolation prize shelf of mediocre yet cromulent-seeming players that are often priced for that "fill multiple needs" approach. Case in point, the Wheeler signing aged way better than the Keuchel signing. Better to spend more upfront than waste it all on the back end. to be fair didn't they have the highest offer Wheeler got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, joejoesox said: to be fair didn't they have the highest offer Wheeler got? yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Any free agents offering black Friday day deals? Didn't we get Leury on one of those last offseason?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, wegner said: Any free agents offering black Friday day deals? Didn't we get Leury on one of those last offseason?? Except that contract was hardly a deal. No one else was giving him that money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Except that contract was hardly a deal. No one else was giving him that money. I bet Leury’s agent still can’t believe he pulled off that miracle. Like how did he even get the discussion to three years? There is no chance in hell any other GM would have been willing to go more than two for Leury. Just one of the most mind boggling signings I can remember in recent years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I bet Leury’s agent still can’t believe he pulled off that miracle. Like how did he even get the discussion to three years? There is no chance in hell any other GM would have been willing to go more than two for Leury. Just one of the most mind boggling signings I can remember in recent years. Both in dollars and years. Hahn is a master at lighting stacks of cash on fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I bet Leury’s agent still can’t believe he pulled off that miracle. Like how did he even get the discussion to three years? There is no chance in hell any other GM would have been willing to go more than two for Leury. Just one of the most mind boggling signings I can remember in recent years. There weren't any overpriced bullpen pitchers available that day so Hahn said WTF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, wegner said: There weren't any overpriced bullpen pitchers available that day so Hahn said WTF. Or, you know, TLR told JR how invaluable his Precious was to team success, and Hahn just followed the marching orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxBlanco Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I bet Leury’s agent still can’t believe he pulled off that miracle. Like how did he even get the discussion to three years? There is no chance in hell any other GM would have been willing to go more than two for Leury. Just one of the most mind boggling signings I can remember in recent years. I still feel like TLR had his hand in that signing…and then proceeded to make it look even worse by playing him every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Or, you know, TLR told JR how invaluable his Precious was to team success, and Hahn just followed the marching orders. If only I lived in the delusional world where I thought Leury Garcia was an every day player and Sox fans would love Joe Kelly one day, but alas I do not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 37 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Except that contract was hardly a deal. No one else was giving him that money. A year ago we wanted every player to have a Garcia level contact or better. f*** the owners and their profits. Anyone then who said players got to much money was attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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