chw42 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Just now, poppysox said: I wouldn't be surprised to learn that TL had something to do with that decision. Leury and Kelly were definitely TLR-influenced moves. We overpaid Kelly even though he was injured at the time of his signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said: But they do operate that way. Lucky for us fans the players don't get it. No they do not but carry on with your pissing and moaning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 The timing of this is surely no coincidence. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 If it really is 1/$12M I like the deal far far less. Kinda steep for a risky bounce back arm. Feels like another stack of cash gleefully lit afire but one Rick Hahn. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: If it really is 1/$12M I like the deal far far less. Kinda steep for a risky bounce back arm. Feels like another stack of cash gleefully lit afire but one Rick Hahn. Honestly, if there is one person in this organization I have some faith in right now it’s Ethan Katz. He’s by no means a miracle worker, but he fixed a broken Giolito and Lopez and took Cease & Rodon to the next level. If he’s telling Hahn that Clevinger is the dude he wants, I think $12M is a price worth paying. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Oh Bruce…??? 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Honestly, if there is one person in this organization I have some faith in right now it’s Ethan Katz. He’s by no means a miracle worker, but he fixed a broken Giolito and Lopez and took Cease & Rodon to the next level. If he’s telling Hahn that Clevinger is the dude he wants, I think $12M is a price worth paying. I feel like this is more Hahn getting a guy he's liked since 2020. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Honestly, if there is one person in this organization I have some faith in right now it’s Ethan Katz. He’s by no means a miracle worker, but he fixed a broken Giolito and Lopez and took Cease & Rodon to the next level. If he’s telling Hahn that Clevinger is the dude he wants, I think $12M is a price worth paying. That’s the hope. $4M isn’t much until you’re dealing with a self-imposed limitation on available resources and the GM loves wasting money on the fringes. Hope it doesn’t bite them in the ass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Honestly, if there is one person in this organization I have some faith in right now it’s Ethan Katz. He’s by no means a miracle worker, but he fixed a broken Giolito and Lopez and took Cease & Rodon to the next level. If he’s telling Hahn that Clevinger is the dude he wants, I think $12M is a price worth paying. We might think it's a price worth paying but the math is still gonna have to work out when the FO has to account for every penny and even a slight overpayment is likely to result in robbing Peter to pay Paul again.... RH: So Jerry we got Mike Clevinger, a former Cy Young winner for only 12 million and.. JR: Yeah, but how are you gonna pay for that. I said payroll is only 180 million. It isn't even December and you're already over it. RH: Don't worry, Giolito is on his way out and that's a 10 million savings. As you know he just got also elected to the MLBPA executive committee so we're killing two birds with one stone there. JR: Yes I agree that's great except for one problem. RH: Whats that? JR: What about the other 2 million? Edited November 29, 2022 by SoCalChiSox 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Thinking about the timing here, I wonder if it was done to lessen the Abreu signing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Thinking about the timing here, I wonder if it was done to lessen the Abreu signing. I see your rationale, but Clevinger hardly lessens the blow IMO. A legit LH power bat might but a 5th starter really doesn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Here’s to hoping this was a signing they made aggressively because they have objective reason to believe they can unlock his old stuff, or that it’ll come back with improved health. If that’s the case, I like it. Unfortunately, it’s much more “Sox” to think that they made this move because they decided they liked him two years ago and so they were gonna get him no matter what if he became available in their budget. The price tag being lower than expected makes me more skeptical that it’s that kind of move, as I’m fearing he may have had few suitors because the health evals aren’t looking bright. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: Here’s to hoping this was a signing they made aggressively because they have objective reason to believe they can unlock his old stuff, or that it’ll come back with improved health. If that’s the case, I like it. Unfortunately, it’s much more “Sox” to think that they made this move because they decided they liked him two years ago and so they were gonna get him no matter what if he became available in their budget. The price tag being lower than expected makes me more skeptical that it’s that kind of move, as I’m fearing he may have had few suitors because the health evals aren’t looking bright. You expected him to get more than 1/$12M? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just to be clear, I’m no Hahn / front office defender, but the Sox were targeting quality pitchers prior to the fiasco that was last offseason. In addition to Lynn, they went hard after Wheeler & Burnes. Perhaps this is one area where our pro scouts are actually earning their paychecks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: You expected him to get more than 1/$12M? Ahh, sorry, I was thinking it was $8m. Busy day at work, hadn’t kept up with the updates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2022 FA WAR per million was 8.5m. so if he is 1.5 WAR this season ( he averages 2.5+ when healthy) he will be worth 12 mil easily. I dont love the 4 mil loss here as far as other additions for the team...but in the grand scheme its not an over or under pay...its probably just about right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Eminor3rd said: Here’s to hoping this was a signing they made aggressively because they have objective reason to believe they can unlock his old stuff, or that it’ll come back with improved health. If that’s the case, I like it. Unfortunately, it’s much more “Sox” to think that they made this move because they decided they liked him two years ago and so they were gonna get him no matter what if he became available in their budget. The price tag being lower than expected makes me more skeptical that it’s that kind of move, as I’m fearing he may have had few suitors because the health evals aren’t looking bright. or teams actually watched his last two starts and got James Shields vibes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shago Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Another bandaid, dart-at-the-board move by a front office without a real plan. Yawn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 22 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: or teams actually watched his last two starts and got James Shields vibes. I always worry most about 2 random starts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Have we heard anything definitive about whether there is an option? I don't like a straight 1/12 without the possibility of keeping him around if he does indeed bounce back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Just to be clear, I’m no Hahn / front office defender, but the Sox were targeting quality pitchers prior to the fiasco that was last offseason. In addition to Lynn, they went hard after Wheeler & Burnes. Perhaps this is one area where our pro scouts are actually earning their paychecks. ............ ..... pauses .... And wound up with Keuchel. .... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I always worry most about 2 random starts. Yeah, seems like a great way to conduct business. The numbers clearly show Clev got tired late in the season. Makes sense coming off TJS. Had he continued his trajectory before September and playoffs a 1/$12M deal would have been a pipe dream. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Clevinger underwent his TJ a year and a half after Rodon. So, I'm thinking he should be about as back as he can be by the time next season starts. I have no idea where Clevinger will be, but the good news is basically a year and a half ago, Rodon had been non tendered and signed for peanuts. This guy should be farther along opening day than Rodon was opening day 2021. At least physically, that injury should be totally ready. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 12 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Oh Bruce…??? I was told he knows things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, CentralChamps21 said: Have we heard anything definitive about whether there is an option? I don't like a straight 1/12 without the possibility of keeping him around if he does indeed bounce back. We don't know yet.. Which is strange. An option year would be amazing, however a 1/12 is still really good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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