Balta1701 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 9:49 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I’d look into moving Stiever into a relief role in all honesty, but that requires adding a couple of arms to fill out the Knights’ rotation. Expand Dudes actually got to pitch before he can settle into a role. You might want him starting for a year just to build arm strength after surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 9:53 PM, pcq said: Clevinger and Cueto will have better years than Gio. Expand I do not understand the Giolito hate at all. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:00 PM, Balta1701 said: Dudes actually got to pitch before he can settle into a role. You might want him starting for a year just to build arm strength after surgery. Expand I just think he’s going to end up a reliever and I think we may need him sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:00 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I do not understand the Giolito hate at all. Expand It's really bizarre. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I really need the deal terms to leak so I can stop hitting refresh over and over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:02 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I really need the deal terms to leak so I can stop hitting refresh over and over. Expand Didn’t Morosi say 1/$8M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:02 PM, Dick Allen said: It's really bizarre. Expand I’ve come to terms that we won’t be extending him, but if we’re serious about competing next year we’re going to need the 2021 version of him at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:03 PM, ChiSox59 said: Didn’t Morosi say 1/$8M? Expand Morosi said more than $8M, so still not quite clear yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) On 11/27/2022 at 10:00 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I do not understand the Giolito hate at all. Expand The hate is unwarranted...frustration with him is not imo. He looked like an Ace. He was absolutely dominating in that playoff start against Oakland. Now he looks at best like a #4 or 5...that is frustrating. Edited November 27, 2022 by wegner 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 8:50 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: No based on age alone Cueto will get less. Expand Clevinger got $8M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeGetzUs Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:00 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I do not understand the Giolito hate at all. Expand I don’t think it’s much hate just putting 2 and 2 together with the other holes on this roster, his impending free agency and the need for a shake up on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:22 PM, Vote4Pedro said: I don’t think it’s much hate just putting 2 and 2 together with the other holes on this roster, his impending free agency and the need for a shake up on the roster. Expand I don’t think trading Giolito is the appropriate shake-up though. And one year of a 3+ win pitcher and a draft pick is better than what we’ll get in return for him via trade plus whatever we do with the $10M in savings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:19 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Clevinger got $8M. Expand Probably with a club option at 12 and a 2 buyout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Most of us aren't hating on Gio because of his performance, I think most of us are realistic enough to know he is gone after 2023 either way. So, why not make a move that makes sense for the team, more long term. 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:38 PM, Capn12 said: Most of us aren't hating on Gio because of his performance, I think most of us are realistic enough to know he is gone after 2023 either way. So, why not make a move that makes sense for the team, more long term. Expand This. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:38 PM, Capn12 said: Most of us aren't hating on Gio because of his performance, I think most of us are realistic enough to know he is gone after 2023 either way. So, why not make a move that makes sense for the team, more long term. Expand Lol. Did we suddenly become the Rays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 (edited) On 11/27/2022 at 10:47 PM, Jerksticks said: Lol. Did we suddenly become the Rays? Expand Have you forgotten who the Sox owner is? Everything has to come through that lens. So basically, the Sox are the Rays but with a higher year to year payroll and a much worse front office and organizational structure. Until there's a new owner we should want them to operate that way, yes. Edited November 27, 2022 by Jack Parkman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:47 PM, Jerksticks said: Lol. Did we suddenly become the Rays? Expand Good point. Ownership has proven time and again, they are willing to sign home grown pitchers to long term, costly contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 11:07 PM, Capn12 said: Good point. Ownership has proven time and again, they are willing to sign home grown pitchers to long term, costly contracts. Expand Yea, and let’s be clear, part of why some of us are open to trading Gio is due to not even getting a QO out to Rodon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:38 PM, Capn12 said: Most of us aren't hating on Gio because of his performance, I think most of us are realistic enough to know he is gone after 2023 either way. So, why not make a move that makes sense for the team, more long term. Expand If you’re trading Giolito why stop there? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 11:21 PM, Chicago White Sox said: If you’re trading Giolito why stop there? Expand Because the only other FA player of signifigance after '23 is Yasmani, and rest assured, there is no one taking that contract right now. Folks are acting like they've forgotten 40+ years of behavior from current ownership. The status quo isn't going to magically change in 2023/2024. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarava Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:00 PM, Chicago White Sox said: I do not understand the Giolito hate at all. Expand I don't want to speak for the other poster you quoted. But someone predicting that 2 players who were better than Giolito in 22 will be better than him again in 23 isn't really hate or even going that far out on a limb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I see this as another fail. They like veterans that make the IL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 10:54 PM, Jack Parkman said: Have you forgotten who the Sox owner is? Everything has to come through that lens. So basically, the Sox are the Rays but with a higher year to year payroll and a much worse front office and organizational structure. Until there's a new owner we should want them to operate that way, yes. Expand Have you forgotten this is the White Sox? In what universe are they going to make a risky forward-thinking move like trading Giolito? Only a few clubs like the Rays have the stones to do that. It’s a nice thought but no way that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 11:07 PM, Capn12 said: Good point. Ownership has proven time and again, they are willing to sign home grown pitchers to long term, costly contracts. Expand Exactly. They will White Sox. They will do neither. The best we can hope for is a monster Gio season and a QO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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