Harry Chappas Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Why don’t we give the new coaching staff a chance to hold players accountable before acquiring a player with a bad contract to do so? I get our spending has been bad and I’m not overly optimistic it will get much better anytime soon, but eating up 10% or more of our payroll space for the next three years on Perez seems like a crazy thing to do. Is his contract any worse than Abreu's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Is his contract any worse than Abreu's? Jose Abreu was a 3.9 WAR player last year and that followed up 2.9 and 2.7 in previous years. Salvador Perez was a 0.5 WAR player last year, following up 3.3 and 1.9 the previous years. Furthermore, his defensive performance has collapsed - he was one of the 5 worst catchers in baseball defensively, and he has been bad defensively 2 years in a row. Perez is still owed $62 million, more than Abreu. Yeah, Perez's contract is worse than Abreu's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Swapping a bad catcher on a bad contract for another bad catcher on an even worse contract. Sounds about right. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 58 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Jose Abreu was a 3.9 WAR player last year and that followed up 2.9 and 2.7 in previous years. Salvador Perez was a 0.5 WAR player last year, following up 3.3 and 1.9 the previous years. Furthermore, his defensive performance has collapsed - he was one of the 5 worst catchers in baseball defensively, and he has been bad defensively 2 years in a row. Perez is still owed $62 million, more than Abreu. Yeah, Perez's contract is worse than Abreu's. I got 4.2 - 3.0 -3.0 for Abreu career average 4.1 2.7-5.3-2.1 for Perez career average 4.2 Abreu is older but Perez has played a tougher position and may not age as well as Abreu seems to have. You move Perez to 1B/DH and he may out perform Abreu over the next 3 years. This coming year he splits time with Grandal at catcher and see how it goes. He could catch twice a week moving forward and the bat could be enough to carry as a DH. I don't want either but to think Abreu's deal is magically going to result in a 36-39 year player not dropping off, same as Perez is foolish. The Abreu deal looks good because it is Houston (maybe Cleveland maybe Boston) and they are the smartest team(s) in the room. Except the GM's that built Houston are gone and Jim Crane is now running things. I think that contract unfortunately looks bad very quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Perez is getting crushed for framing, but had half the number of runners take off on him than Yas and a better passed ball score. Based off the discussion on the board about how yaz was a classic example of analytics failing what we could all see, I am not surprised to see how it is now being used to showcase how it's failing perez. oh noes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 17 minutes ago, bmags said: Perez is getting crushed for framing, but had half the number of runners take off on him than Yas and a better passed ball score. Based off the discussion on the board about how yaz was a classic example of analytics failing what we could all see, I am not surprised to see how it is now being used to showcase how it's failing perez. oh noes I wonder if something around Grandal and Perez would be doable. The Royals would save a few bucks this year and only have one year of commitment left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 13 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: f*** my life if this comes to existence glad I'm not alone in this thought 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 13 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I wonder if something around Grandal and Perez would be doable. The Royals would save a few bucks this year and only have one year of commitment left. That's what I mentioned, swapping out for them a 3 year liability for a 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 I feel like Rick loves wasting resources at BP and catcher, so I now fully expect this to happen and I'm sick to my stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said: I wonder if something around Grandal and Perez would be doable. The Royals would save a few bucks this year and only have one year of commitment left. I don'tknow but you would think if the Royals were truly interested in trading Salvy they could do so without having to take back one of the worst contracts in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don'tknow but you would think if the Royals were truly interested in trading Salvy they could do so without having to take back one of the worst contracts in baseball. $64 million for Sal Perez IS one of the worst contracts in baseball. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 The best teams have maybe what like 5-6 good bats in a lineup? Why put so many resources into making one of those catcher for 130 games per year 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: The best teams have maybe what like 5-6 good bats in a lineup? Why put so many resources into making one of those catcher for 130 games per year That would be 30 more than the rest of our lineup can play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don'tknow but you would think if the Royals were truly interested in trading Salvy they could do so without having to take back one of the worst contracts in baseball. I think if Hahn offered Grandal for Salvy, the Royals would send in the paperwork before Hahn could change his mind. I honestly want nothing to do with Perez but it seems the Sox are interested. Perez has a much worse contract than Grandal. Edited December 2, 2022 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Perez is good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I think if Hahn offered Grandal for Salvy, the Royals would send in the paperwork before Hahn could change his mind. I honestly want nothing to do with Perez but it seems the Sox are interested. Perez has a much worse contract than Grandal. I think trading for him would be a bad idea but lets not get crazy here. The guy hit 71 home runs the last 2 years and Grandal is literally useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 35 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: I don'tknow but you would think if the Royals were truly interested in trading Salvy they could do so without having to take back one of the worst contracts in baseball. a 1/18 million is one of the worst contracts in baseball? You say a lot of silly things. Yes, he was atrocious last year... but it's only a 1/18... it isn't going to hamstring long term franchises like other deals. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I think if Hahn offered Grandal for Salvy, the Royals would send in the paperwork before Hahn could change his mind. I honestly want nothing to do with Perez but it seems the Sox are interested. Perez has a much worse contract than Grandal. It's honestly an interesting idea/proposal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 A Grandal for Perez swap straight up makes no sense. If the Royals sent something else, like money or some decent prospects, maybe it makes more sense? I don't know. It just seems like a weird trade rumor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 without looking it up someone tell me how old they think michael wacha is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 23 minutes ago, hogan873 said: A Grandal for Perez swap straight up makes no sense. If the Royals sent something else, like money or some decent prospects, maybe it makes more sense? I don't know. It just seems like a weird trade rumor. Blown away by this acting like Perez is bad because he's being downgraded for the very reason you all think grandal was overhyped. It's like people saying yadi was bad at defense last 5 years. Nobody who watched the game believes that. Perez controls the game behind there, we haven't had that in .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) The Rosenthal blurb said the Royals weren't trading Perez. That said, to any non-Royals team, that's a terrible contract. If the Sox are gonna throw that kind of money at some Royal, I'd prefer Benintendi. You might be able to get him for 3/60 and he hits left-handed. I don't think this is in the realm of possibility, but if it did, boy, would that be a bad idea. Edited December 2, 2022 by Timmy U typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, bmags said: without looking it up someone tell me how old they think michael wacha is Before looking it up, I'm guessing 36. Edit: whoa I was way off. Edited December 2, 2022 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeCredeYes Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Jerksticks said: The best teams have maybe what like 5-6 good bats in a lineup? Why put so many resources into making one of those catcher for 130 games per year This, get a stud defender/framer/game caller and spend the resources elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, bmags said: without looking it up someone tell me how old they think michael wacha is 32? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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