Soxfest Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Sox have the best chance be the Marlins of next year, and Sox will get the Colon deal done and get FA to fill specific holes and of course TK took the Srubs.I know alot of people on board do not like PG. I do and if he says he predicts the Sox, hell I will not argue. :fthecubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Predictions are worthless. Nonetheless, it's better to have that expectation than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Peter Gammons is the worst prognosticater in the history of baseball. He said Brett Boone would win the HR hitting contest at the ASG. Boone hit 0 out and whiffed a pitch. He said the AL would never be able to score on the NL's bullpen. Hello Hank Blaylock. If he predicts good things for the White Sox, it probably means trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Peter Gammons is the worst prognosticater in the history of baseball. He said Brett Boone would win the HR hitting contest at the ASG. I think this type of prediction and saying Colon will sign with the Sox are different. Gammons gets goos behind the scenes sources. If something changes at the drop of a hat, that is not his fault. He has the personal numbers for all these GM's and agents. Maybe he knows something about Colon we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I think this type of prediction and saying Colon will sign with the Sox are different. Gammons gets goos behind the scenes sources. If something changes at the drop of a hat, that is not his fault. He has the personal numbers for all these GM's and agents. Maybe he knows something about Colon we don't. He also said Russ Ortiz to the Sox last winter was a done deal. Don't believe anything he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Unless the Sox put another year or more $ into the Colon deal, it's not getting done. Regardless of what Peter Gammons says about Bart, it's pretty much known that he's rejected the current deal on the table. Also read that some of the money to Colon was going to be deferred. What kinda deal is that? Looks like the same BS they tried to pull with Buehrle wanting to give him an inscentive based deal. It's apparent that this organization will pay $7 mil for Paul Konerko or $14 mil for Maggs, but won't fork up the same for a pitcher like Bart or Mark B. Pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 Not signing Colon and moving to "Plan B" scares me, because I don't really think there is a Plan B, other than trying and failing to land a handful of players and then having to with huge pieces missing in 2004 and beyond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I think this type of prediction and saying Colon will sign with the Sox are different. Gammons gets goos behind the scenes sources. If something changes at the drop of a hat, that is not his fault. He has the personal numbers for all these GM's and agents. Maybe he knows something about Colon we don't. He also said Russ Ortiz to the Sox last winter was a done deal. Don't believe anything he says. It is my understanding that Russ Ortiz to the Sox was basically a done deal until the Braves came in and offered Damian Moss at the last minute. If a guy is fed information and reports it, it is not his fault if something changes at the last minute. Gammons is extremely well connected with the baseball community and is very well respected by those who work in it. That said, I am sure at times he is also fed some misinformation as well. Lastly, just because the guy says something on TV and it doesn't happen doesn't make him a dumbass. Part of his job is to come up with content that not everyone else has. Sometimes that will require him to play a hunch when reporting something or even report that something may happen before he has all of the information he wants or needs. Most of the time, he says things like "It looks as if this will happen" or "If the Marlins do this, then the Cubs will likely do that". You have to listen to what he says and how he says it. If you take everything as 100% literal or as a rock-solid prediction, sure you will think he is wrong all the time. I don't think it is that hard to listen to what he says and understand that he is well connected if you do so with an open mind. Clear your head of your own biases and you will find that he is very informative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 I think this type of prediction and saying Colon will sign with the Sox are different. Gammons gets goos behind the scenes sources. If something changes at the drop of a hat, that is not his fault. He has the personal numbers for all these GM's and agents. Maybe he knows something about Colon we don't. He also said Russ Ortiz to the Sox last winter was a done deal. Don't believe anything he says. It is my understanding that Russ Ortiz to the Sox was basically a done deal until the Braves came in and offered Damian Moss at the last minute. If a guy is fed information and reports it, it is not his fault if something changes at the last minute. Gammons is extremely well connected with the baseball community and is very well respected by those who work in it. That said, I am sure at times he is also fed some misinformation as well. Lastly, just because the guy says something on TV and it doesn't happen doesn't make him a dumbass. Part of his job is to come up with content that not everyone else has. Sometimes that will require him to play a hunch when reporting something or even report that something may happen before he has all of the information he wants or needs. Most of the time, he says things like "It looks as if this will happen" or "If the Marlins do this, then the Cubs will likely do that". You have to listen to what he says and how he says it. If you take everything as 100% literal or as a rock-solid prediction, sure you will think he is wrong all the time. I don't think it is that hard to listen to what he says and understand that he is well connected if you do so with an open mind. Clear your head of your own biases and you will find that he is very informative. He jumped the gun. He said it was a done deal, it obviously wasn't. Gammons has some decent information, you just have to take what he writes with a grain of salt most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 If he waits until it is a "done deal" then he no longer has new information. He has the same info as everyone else. His job is to do what he does. He does it very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 If he waits until it is a "done deal" then he no longer has new information. He has the same info as everyone else. His job is to do what he does. He does it very well. If you say something was a done deal, and it isn't you are wrong. He could of said the Sox and Giants were close to a deal, but he didn't. Look at his archives at espn.com. You will be appalled at how often he is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 If he waits until it is a "done deal" then he no longer has new information. He has the same info as everyone else. His job is to do what he does. He does it very well. I disagree totally. He's at best the third best baseball analyst that ESPN has, easily behind Jayson Stark and Tim Kurkjan. You can also argue a few others ahead of him, but those are the two that I definitely feel are better. And it's not the job of a journalist to report rumors, at least a credible journalist. There is a major difference between calling something a done deal and speculating it will happen. He sensationalizes a lot of his material a lot of the time with comments like it's a "done deal" when that is obviously not the case. He knows a lot about the Red Sox and the Yankees, but besides that, he's wrong more often than not. I for one wouldn't care if he never appeared on TV again or wrote another article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 We'll agree to disagree. I just find it funny how he is so respected within the game, yet all you guys know more. Sounds like some of your own personal biases are getting in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 We'll agree to disagree. I just find it funny how he is so respected within the game, yet all you guys know more. Sounds like some of your own personal biases are getting in the way. He's not totally respected. He only talks about half the teams, the other half don't talk to him. When Schueler was here, he hated Gammons, and Gammons never mentioned the White Sox. KW talks to Gammons and gives him some info, so he mentions the Sox and KW all the time. Gammons needs to get HSC's sources, she broke a couple of big ones, especially the Foulke-Koch trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 27, 2003 Share Posted October 27, 2003 He's not totally respected. He only talks about half the teams, the other half don't talk to him. When Schueler was here, he hated Gammons, and Gammons never mentioned the White Sox. KW talks to Gammons and gives him some info, so he mentions the Sox and KW all the time. Gammons needs to get HSC's sources, she broke a couple of big ones, especially the Foulke-Koch trade. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I think this type of prediction and saying Colon will sign with the Sox are different. Gammons gets goos behind the scenes sources. If something changes at the drop of a hat, that is not his fault. He has the personal numbers for all these GM's and agents. Maybe he knows something about Colon we don't. He also said Russ Ortiz to the Sox last winter was a done deal. Don't believe anything he says. It was a done deal until the Braves stept up and made a ridiculously high offer for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I just saw a little talk with Dan Patrick and Gammons. Gammons said he heard rumors about Johnson/Soriano for Vasquze/Vidro and made some other comments. He said the Yanks are leery about Milwood and Colon as well as they will find a way to move Weaver. Gammons also mentioned that he thinks Weaver will win again when he is moved. Just a short segment but its always fun to talk about trade stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I like Gammons. He's heavy on BoSox-Yankees info, but that's because he used to be the beat writer for the Boston Globe and has a tone of sources in the AL and on the East Coast. He's wrong sometimes, but so are Mortensen, Aldridge, Clayton, Bucher and all the others that ESPN uses. That said, I prefer Tim Kurkjian over Gammons. But I'll take Gammons over Stark. Why? Kurkjian is more cautious than Gammons and doesn't throw a bunch of rumors into the mix. Plus, he used to work in Baltimore and Dallas so he's got a more balanced look at the AL. Stark tries too hard to be cute. And he's a Philly guy. Weak on the AL, stronger on the NL. Just my opinion. I missed Gammons' comments about Colon. When and where did he make them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I was surprised. Gammons gave a list of the FA that GS would go after and Colon WAS NOT on the list. This might be good news for the Sox considering few teams have the financial flexibility to offer Colon more then 12M. There was also a segment on sportscenter that said Colon rejected the Sox 3 year 36M offer, BUT that the Sox will probably going to make one more offer later this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I just saw a little talk with Dan Patrick and Gammons. Gammons said he heard rumors about Johnson/Soriano for Vasquze/Vidro and made some other comments. He said the Yanks are leery about Milwood and Colon as well as they will find a way to move Weaver. Gammons also mentioned that he thinks Weaver will win again when he is moved. Just a short segment but its always fun to talk about trade stuff. Heard that on PTI today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 He's not totally respected. He only talks about half the teams, the other half don't talk to him. When Schueler was here, he hated Gammons, and Gammons never mentioned the White Sox. KW talks to Gammons and gives him some info, so he mentions the Sox and KW all the time. Gammons needs to get HSC's sources, she broke a couple of big ones, especially the Foulke-Koch trade. she also said that KW would step down. News flash he is still here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I was surprised. Gammons gave a list of the FA that GS would go after and Colon WAS NOT on the list. This might be good news for the Sox considering few teams have the financial flexibility to offer Colon more then 12M. There was also a segment on sportscenter that said Colon rejected the Sox 3 year 36M offer, BUT that the Sox will probably going to make one more offer later this week. Actually that was a graphic that ESPN put up of big time free agents while Gammons was talking...... but Gammons did not mention them all by name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 The only reason I might beleive Gammons here is that he is a Boston/New York guy, and if he is saying that Boston IS NOT interested in Colon, I think that whould be a big deal in Boston, and he whould know. I have also heared reports like others have said New York isnt sold on Colon like people think they are. I do think we have a shot. He did not say that Boston is NOT interested in Colon. He said that they would not likely pursue him because they won't likely add much to payroll and that they will more than likely pursue mid-level FA's. Of course, all it would take is one trade by Boston that clears payroll and they would be right in the hunt for him. If that happens, it does not mean Gammns was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 if he leaves, I hope we really do have a Plan B. Not realistic to believe Loaiza will be as strong next year. Buehrle and Garland could improve. Schoeneweis will be better than what we had as a No. 5 in 2003. But we need somebody to steady to replace Bartolo's 200-plus innings. And it ain't Danny Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 28, 2003 Author Share Posted October 28, 2003 I like PG diamond notes, he talks about Boston too much but overall I think he is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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