raBBit Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: I still have a hard time believing that the Sox are serious about winning and I doubt the Front Office when they say they’re trying to make the team better when Leury Garcia is still on the roster. Getting rid of him, makes them better instantly. While I agree that the Sox should cut Leury and keeping him shows that they're not as serious about winning as they could be, but that said, there is no reason to cut him until Spring Training. You never know if you're going to have a few injuries. You're going to be paying him regardless so might as well wait to the last minute. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, hogan873 said: Used sparingly getting the occasional start at 2B and in the OF, he's fine. He can play multiple positions and is a decent utility guy to have on the roster. TLR's blatant misuse of him, and the fact that he gets paid WAY too much money makes us despise the guy. A .500 OPS wouldn’t be fine no matter how the guy was used. But, based on the fact that Cairo shut him down with a back injury, it does seem likely that he was trying to play through a back injury that should have had him shut down to rehab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: A .500 OPS wouldn’t be fine no matter how the guy was used. But, based on the fact that Cairo shut him down with a back injury, it does seem likely that he was trying to play through a back injury that should have had him shut down to rehab. Of everything that went wrong last season, the team's handling of injuries (for the majority of the season, not so much post-TLR) is still the most puzzling aspect to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 49 minutes ago, raBBit said: While I agree that the Sox should cut Leury and keeping him shows that they're not as serious about winning as they could be, but that said, there is no reason to cut him until Spring Training. You never know if you're going to have a few injuries. You're going to be paying him regardless so might as well wait to the last minute. yes. Similar to Grandal, cutting either of them makes 0 sense since we are already paying them and clearly don't have the money to sign their replacements. Keep them until they need to be cut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 41 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Of everything that went wrong last season, the team's handling of injuries (for the majority of the season, not so much post-TLR) is still the most puzzling aspect to me. for surreeeee. Not sure if this was a Hahn thing, medical staff thing where they under-estimated out times or what.. But it was a disaster allll yeaaaar long 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 12/29/2022 at 4:31 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'm fine with Leury starting ~80 games around the diamond. Surely you jest! Although, I can definitely see that scenario where he plays way too much at 2B if their other mediocre options don't pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 4 hours ago, hogan873 said: Used sparingly getting the occasional start at 2B and in the OF, he's fine. He can play multiple positions and is a decent utility guy to have on the roster. TLR's blatant misuse of him, and the fact that he gets paid WAY too much money makes us despise the guy. That's it here. He really shouldn't be starting, just a guy you put in late in games or extra innings where you start to run low on players. A very rare start, but largely coming off the bench later in games as needed. He's been way overused. If he is playing too much, it probably has something to do with the organization not filling in holes this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 2 hours ago, raBBit said: While I agree that the Sox should cut Leury and keeping him shows that they're not as serious about winning as they could be, but that said, there is no reason to cut him until Spring Training. You never know if you're going to have a few injuries. You're going to be paying him regardless so might as well wait to the last minute. That's very fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 20 minutes ago, spiderman said: That's it here. He really shouldn't be starting, just a guy you put in late in games or extra innings where you start to run low on players. A very rare start, but largely coming off the bench later in games as needed. He's been way overused. If he is playing too much, it probably has something to do with the organization not filling in holes this off-season. There has to be a better alternative out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: There has to be a better alternative out there. Who? There isn't a better alternative on the 40 man roster. They're paying Leury regardless. Cutting Leury and signing like Jonathan Villar - what does that accomplish other than spending more $? The constant Leury handwringing is so dumb. It was a terrible deal; we can all agree on that. But there really is no reason to cut him right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Who? There isn't a better alternative on the 40 man roster. They're paying Leury regardless. Cutting Leury and signing like Jonathan Villar - what does that accomplish other than spending more $? The constant Leury handwringing is so dumb. It was a terrible deal; we can all agree on that. But there really is no reason to cut him right now. As with the catcher's spot...if he has a moderately serious back problem that lingers into this year, then the downside is that they aren't willing or able to replace him and they wind up with the same exact issues this year but no available free agents to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: As with the catcher's spot...if he has a moderately serious back problem that lingers into this year, then the downside is that they aren't willing or able to replace him and they wind up with the same exact issues this year but no available free agents to replace him. Nope. There will be plenty of free agents available to replace Leury. We will have 2 or 3 in our own minor league system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 29 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: There has to be a better alternative out there. I'm pretty sure there was a better alternative at 2B that Romy Gonzalez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 26 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Who? There isn't a better alternative on the 40 man roster. They're paying Leury regardless. Cutting Leury and signing like Jonathan Villar - what does that accomplish other than spending more $? The constant Leury handwringing is so dumb. It was a terrible deal; we can all agree on that. But there really is no reason to cut him right now. He has a place on the roster as a utility player, but not as a platoon/regular starter (as he has been used). No reason to cut him, but they need to use like he is the last positional player on your roster (which he should be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, spiderman said: He has a place on the roster as a utility player, but not as a platoon/regular starter (as he has been used). No reason to cut him, but they need to use like he is the last positional player on your roster (which he should be). We are in complete agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I have no idea why they didn't sign Adam Frazier. 1/8 is not terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Just now, Jack Parkman said: I have no idea why they didn't sign Adam Frazier. 1/8 is not terrible. When they already moved $10 million out of the $27 million they've spent on free agents into future years, I have a pretty sensible guess as to why they haven't done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Balta1701 said: When they already moved $10 million out of the $27 million they've spent on free agents into future years, I have a pretty sensible guess as to why they haven't done that. It's fucking 8 million dollars. That's not that much in baseball free agency context. Edited January 6, 2023 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said: I have no idea why they didn't sign Adam Frazier. 1/8 is not terrible. Frazier would have been a great fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 Fun fact: Adam Frazier in 2022 was worse than Leury Garcia in 2021. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 La Stella, Moustakas available now for minimum...both released. Do either of these make any sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 minute ago, buckweaver said: La Stella, Moustakas available now for minimum...both released. Do either of these make any sense? no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, buckweaver said: La Stella, Moustakas available now for minimum...both released. Do either of these make any sense? Unless La Stella's Achilles healed 100%, his career is basically over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ'S Cousin Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 I believe the solution is still Elvis. A 2 year deal is appropriate for about 10 to 12 million. We lost out on all the other legitimate 2nd basemen. No trades on the horizon, no idiotic ideas please like Garcia playing 80 games at second, converting Burger to 2nd Base. Elvis is the answer for now if he’s willing to play second. If he insists on playing SS then no, don’t sign him. Sosa and Gonzalez are a risk but we may have no choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 1 hour ago, buckweaver said: La Stella, Moustakas available now for minimum...both released. Do either of these make any sense? Is Moustakas any better than Burger at this point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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