southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Anyone else see this? It said that Bartolo does NOT want to pitch in NY. I wonder who else he thinks is going to offer him more than $12 mil a year? http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Colon for free agency Not that I am surprised...we may see him back in a Sox uni, but I am not too heart-broken if he isnt. IMO KW did what he had to do, considering this regime's history. Since I see a lot of people writing him off. This is just a formalidity, every player has to do this, otherwise they would lose all/any leverage because they would be stuck going back to their team at a bargain basement price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Im trying to look for a positive spin if Colon doesnt sign with the Sox......and this is about all I can think of. With the money that would of been spent towards Bartolo we can possibly pick up two solid starters or try to fill other holes in our team: Shortstop, Relief pitching,1B That is assuming the money offered will still be spent on other players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Wishlist: Josh Beckett, Florida Bad Ass? You and me both, winodj.....oh, to have a "phenom" immediately live up to expectations, and not pull a Ruffcorn.. Remember, this "Phenom" was injured off and on for quite a while out of the gate. Buehrle was more of a "Phenom" then Beckett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 28, 2003 Author Share Posted October 28, 2003 Wishlist: Josh Beckett, Florida Bad Ass? You and me both, winodj.....oh, to have a "phenom" immediately live up to expectations, and not pull a Ruffcorn.. Remember, this "Phenom" was injured off and on for quite a while out of the gate. Buehrle was more of a "Phenom" then Beckett Yeah, but Jas, Buehrle was more of an afterthought as a draftee, whereas Beckett was a 1st Round guy that most expected to be all that, and he delivered. Its been a while since we've had a Top Draft Pick come up to Chicago and deliver like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Wishlist: Josh Beckett, Florida Bad Ass? You and me both, winodj.....oh, to have a "phenom" immediately live up to expectations, and not pull a Ruffcorn.. Remember, this "Phenom" was injured off and on for quite a while out of the gate. Buehrle was more of a "Phenom" then Beckett Yeah, but Jas, Buehrle was more of an afterthought as a draftee, whereas Beckett was a 1st Round guy that most expected to be all that, and he delivered. Its been a while since we've had a Top Draft Pick come up to Chicago and deliver like that. True that, didn't think of it that way. I'd have to say Frank Thomas or Rockin Robin were the last guys to do something like that in the Sox organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I'm going to be upset if we end up with Ponson. He's not AT ALL what he's hyped up to be. There are plenty of other FA options that could be had for much less money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Its been a while since we've had a Top Draft Pick come up to Chicago and deliver like that. See Mark Prior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 At least we get a draft pick for Bart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Yes, I know he meant the Sox...... The Sox haven't had a top 10 pick until the late 80's or early 90's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Alex Fernandez was awfully good, awfully quick So was Black Jack. As for Bartolo saying he doesn't want to pitch here or he likes it there, this is what I think: It's all negotiating. I'm convinced the Players association tells guys to say they want to stay where they are. It's good PR. Players know the fans think they are greedy. So they say they want to stay where they're at to keep some hometown fans somewhat happy. As for saying they don't want to play here or there, it's the perfect way to get a team (like the Yankees or Red Sox) to up the ante. That's what I think. Durham said he wanted to stay. Ventura said he liked the Sox. Charles Johnson said he enjoyed Chicago. Alex Fernandez said he wanted to stay. On and on and on. It's all PR. None of us know what is going on behind the scene. But the Players Association pressures these guys NOT to take less money to stay where they are because that's how they keep driving up the salaries. That will be more true than EVER this year because the free-agent market was soft last year. And I read a story last week that indicated the Players Association is going to file another collusion charge if it remains soft this year. That's the way the game is played, folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Not sure if anyone else remembers this but I know I do. Last year when Hideki Matsui was going to file for FA in America, he said that he didn't want to sign with the Yankees. Two or three weeks later, guess who he signed with? Get what I'm saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Plan B certainly would have to be Ponson at the top of the list. Gotta throw names like Batista and Lidle in there as well... And even perhaps, GASP, Jeff Weaver... Unlike the rest of you who seem to believe we are doomed if we lose Colon, I beg to differ. While Loaiza will surely not deliver the same results of 2003, Buehrle and Garland will both improve, as will our No. 5 spot. If we can plug in a solid No.3 who can throw near 200 innings, I think we should be fine. Here's the way I invision things: #1 - Buehrle #2 - E-Lo #3 - FA Signing #4 - Garland #5 - Rauch/Cotts/Show/Wright/FA signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Eugene Kingsale? Who is the other guy, I don't remember. Calvin Maduro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 If BC wants to go, go Sox will have to look at another plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApplingsRevenge Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Alex Fernandez was awfully good, awfully quick So was Black Jack. As for Bartolo saying he doesn't want to pitch here or he likes it there, this is what I think: It's all negotiating. I'm convinced the Players association tells guys to say they want to stay where they are. It's good PR. Players know the fans think they are greedy. So they say they want to stay where they're at to keep some hometown fans somewhat happy. As for saying they don't want to play here or there, it's the perfect way to get a team (like the Yankees or Red Sox) to up the ante. That's what I think. Durham said he wanted to stay. Ventura said he liked the Sox. Charles Johnson said he enjoyed Chicago. Alex Fernandez said he wanted to stay. On and on and on. It's all PR. None of us know what is going on behind the scene. But the Players Association pressures these guys NOT to take less money to stay where they are because that's how they keep driving up the salaries. That will be more true than EVER this year because the free-agent market was soft last year. And I read a story last week that indicated the Players Association is going to file another collusion charge if it remains soft this year. That's the way the game is played, folks. Great post, I agree 100%. Colon SHOULD see how much he's offered by other teams from a union & personal standpoint. That said, NOT ONE PENNY MORE than the rumored offer should be tendered. I wouldn't be that disappointed if we ended up with Ponson (forget Millwood, if Colon is out of our price range, so is Millwood). At least it would be a sign that we were retooling instead of rebuilding. The thought of another youth movement really bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spataro51 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 I still believe COLON WILL BE A WHITE SOX NEXT YEAR! I am keeping my confidence that this will happen. I heard on the score that most of his 36 mil was deffered something like 4 mil a year. That is alot of money to have deffered to where you don;t get that money for years to come. If i was bartolo, i would want all my money up front. I think kenny isn't through with this situation yet, there will be more offers from the sox. If they lose colon, this will put a whole lot more pressure on the sox and especially williams, heck he allready has the pressure of going and getting the right manager for the job and him loseing his best pitcher and the key to all the offseason moves will about kill him. Kenny will have to work his ass off as who to sign in free agents and also what moves he can make to make this team and the fans excited about next year. If colon is signed all of that comes to rest, the team and the fans will be excited. Look for colon to be signed and also i have a feeling kenny has something up his sleeve as far as getting vazquez from montreal. (just a feeling i have i was right last year when we got colon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Alex Fernandez was awfully good, awfully quick So was Black Jack. As for Bartolo saying he doesn't want to pitch here or he likes it there, this is what I think: It's all negotiating. I'm convinced the Players association tells guys to say they want to stay where they are. It's good PR. Players know the fans think they are greedy. So they say they want to stay where they're at to keep some hometown fans somewhat happy. As for saying they don't want to play here or there, it's the perfect way to get a team (like the Yankees or Red Sox) to up the ante. That's what I think. Durham said he wanted to stay. Ventura said he liked the Sox. Charles Johnson said he enjoyed Chicago. Alex Fernandez said he wanted to stay. On and on and on. It's all PR. None of us know what is going on behind the scene. But the Players Association pressures these guys NOT to take less money to stay where they are because that's how they keep driving up the salaries. That will be more true than EVER this year because the free-agent market was soft last year. And I read a story last week that indicated the Players Association is going to file another collusion charge if it remains soft this year. That's the way the game is played, folks. Since you guys were talking draft I tought I would post the Draft story since 1980 so you can see who's helped are team during the years. This list is of 1st rounders These are the Num1 picks since 1980 1980 pick#8: Cecil Espy OF - Called up in 1983 with LA, Made it in 1987 with Tex 1981 Pick#7: Darryl Boston OF - Made debut in 1983 with Sox 1982 Pick#14: Ron Karkovice C - Made Debut in 1987 with Sox 1983 Pick#13: Joel Davis RHP - Debut 1985 (could have drafted Clemens) 1984 Pick#20: Tony Menendez RHP - Made Majors Brifley in 1992 with the Reds 1984 Pick#25: Tom Hartley OF - Never Made Majors 1985 Pick#5: Kurt Brown C - Never Made Majors (Barry Bonds was drafted #6) 1986 Pick#20: Grady Hall LHP - Never Made Majors 1987 Pick#5: Jack Mcdowell RHP - Made majors same Year 1988 Pick#10: Robin Ventura 3B - Called up in 1989 but stayed in 1990 1989 Pick#7: Frank Thomas 1B - Made Majors in 1990 1990 Pick#4: Alex Fernandez RHP - Made majors same Year 1991 Pick#25: Scott Ruffcorn RHP - Called up in 1993 major Bust, Sold to Phily 97 1992 Pick#24: Eddie Pearson 3B - Never Made Majors 1993 Pick#17: Scott Christman LHP - Never Made Majors, Could have drafted Torii Hunter #20 1994 Pick#26: Mark Johnson C - Made Majors in 1998 1995 Pick#25: Jeff Liefer 3B - Made Majors in 2000 as OF/1B 1996 Pick#12: Bobby Seay LHP - Made Majors in 2001 with Tampa 1997 Pick#15: Jason Dellaero SS - Made ML in 99, Could have Drafted Berkman who went #16 1998 Pick#16: Kip Wells RHP - Made Majors in 1999 1999 Pick#15: Jason Stumm RHP - Still a Farmhand 1999 Pick#22: Matt Ginter RHP - Made Majors in 2000 2000 Pick#12: Joe Borchard OF - Called up in 2002 2001 Pick#16: Kris Honel RHP - Still in Minors 2002 Pick#18: Royce Ring LHP - Traded to Mets in 2003 2003 Pick#?: Brian Anderson OF - Minors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Plan B certainly would have to be Ponson at the top of the list. Gotta throw names like Batista and Lidle in there as well... And even perhaps, GASP, Jeff Weaver... Unlike the rest of you who seem to believe we are doomed if we lose Colon, I beg to differ. While Loaiza will surely not deliver the same results of 2003, Buehrle and Garland will both improve, as will our No. 5 spot. If we can plug in a solid No.3 who can throw near 200 innings, I think we should be fine. Here's the way I invision things: #1 - Buehrle #2 - E-Lo #3 - FA Signing #4 - Garland #5 - Rauch/Cotts/Show/Wright/FA signing Good post here Abo.... This has the potential to be a very strong rotation, even without Colon. I'd hate to try and come up with 2 starters out of Shoney, Wright, Stweart, Cotts, etc etc.... So we really should try and find a quality #3 type starter. Then, if Garland steps up any this year we will have a very solid 1 thru 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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