hogan873 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Texsox said: After fifty years of off season optimism I'm in the "I'll get excited when I see something on the field to get excited about" club. I do wish I had the old enthusiasm but I've been fooled to often but JR and Co. They've worn me down. The past two seasons for sure beat the optimism out of many of us. I, for one, would feel better about the upcoming season had last season not been so bad. I'm trying to get past it and be excited about 2023. I do think we'll see better performances from most returning players, in part due to a better culture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, hogan873 said: The past two seasons for sure beat the optimism out of many of us. I, for one, would feel better about the upcoming season had last season not been so bad. I'm trying to get past it and be excited about 2023. I do think we'll see better performances from most returning players, in part due to a better culture. I totally agree. I also remind myself that I've thought that for most of the past 50 off seasons and yet I allowed them to continue to disappoint. I'm going in with really low expectations. I'm not going to plan my days around watching or listening to games. I'm not going to plan trips to Chicago around home stands. I'm looking at some east coast and Canada games based on when I'm going to be there, not when the Sox will be in town. The last part I think will be cool. Cheering for the home team may enhance the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 At least there is no LaRussa. I am bracing myself for the first few images of Camelback this spring seeing Tony in uniform, with a fresh coat of black Just For Men in his hair. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 23 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: I....don't agree. Largely the same roster won 93 games 2 years ago with Tony punting the 2nd half of the season. Lots of things will need to go right for this team to win 90 games, but that certainly isn't the ceiling. The 2021 team got a combined 11.8 fWAR from Abreu, Engel, Madrigal, Rodon, Crochet and Keuchel. The 2023 team has in their place Vaughn, Benintendi, Davis Martin, Diekman, Graveman and who knows who plays 2B. I don't see that group combining for 11.8 fWAR, plus it's highly unlikely that Grandal comes anywhere near the 3.6 fWAR he produced in 2021. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CentralChamps21 said: The 2021 team got a combined 11.8 fWAR from Abreu, Engel, Madrigal, Rodon, Crochet and Keuchel. The 2023 team has in their place Vaughn, Benintendi, Davis Martin, Diekman, Graveman and who knows who plays 2B. I don't see that group combining for 11.8 fWAR, plus it's highly unlikely that Grandal comes anywhere near the 3.6 fWAR he produced in 2021. And Luis Robert played 68 games. And Eloy played 55. And TA missed 40 games. And AV wasn't good. Colas > then old Adam Eaton. OF defense still sucked. It goes both ways, but yah, if you only want to focus on the negatives, things are awful! I have said it before and I will say it again. The Sox need Robert, Eloy, and TA on the field. If you want to assume those players will miss 250 games, then yes, the Sox aren't winning 90 games. If those players play 130+ games, I really like the Sox chances of being a pretty good team in 2023. Edited February 9, 2023 by ChiSox59 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 15 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: And Luis Robert played 68 games. And Eloy played 55. And TA missed 40 games. And AV wasn't good. Colas > then old Adam Eaton. OF defense still sucked. It goes both ways, but yah, if you only want to focus on the negatives, things are awful! I have said it before and I will say it again. The Sox need Robert, Eloy, and TA on the field. If you want to assume those players will miss 250 games, then yes, the Sox aren't winning 90 games. If those players play 130+ games, I really like the Sox chances of being a pretty good team in 2023. As pessimistic as I am in general about this season, I largely agree with you. I truly believe that the 2022 team was awful not because of talent, but because of execution. To me, that's largely coachable, and having a leader who sets the tone like Grifol seems to be doing is a good start. I'm still pissed and disappointed in the lack of moves, but the change in leadership alone SHOULD account for fewer uncontrolled meltdowns. Say what you will about the "Ricky's boys don't quit" crap, but how many times did "Ricky's boys" just roll over and play dead? And how many times did that same cast roll over and play dead last year under Tony? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, JoeC said: As pessimistic as I am in general about this season, I largely agree with you. I truly believe that the 2022 team was awful not because of talent, but because of execution. To me, that's largely coachable, and having a leader who sets the tone like Grifol seems to be doing is a good start. I'm still pissed and disappointed in the lack of moves, but the change in leadership alone SHOULD account for fewer uncontrolled meltdowns. Say what you will about the "Ricky's boys don't quit" crap, but how many times did "Ricky's boys" just roll over and play dead? And how many times did that same cast roll over and play dead last year under Tony? You mean this doesn't set the tone? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Quin said: You mean this doesn't set the tone? Oh it set a tone all right. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35thstreetswarm Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Quin said: You mean this doesn't set the tone? Oh, it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I wonder how many times he was absolutely hammered sitting in the dugout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 2 hours ago, ShoeLessRob said: I wonder how many times he was absolutely hammered sitting in the dugout. But supposedly he was a better manager hammered than when he was bright and alert................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, SCCWS said: But supposedly he was a better manager hammered than when he was bright and alert................. Oh they were better off with him passed out than they were with him pretending like he had any functionality left in his HOF baseball drunken corpse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Colas will be different than the others. Sox OF is the one decent upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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