CentralChamps21 Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 9:13 PM, bmags said: I’m sick to my stomach losing this game. Absolutely brutal. Classic bears loss of d balling all game and collapsing late. Offense never able to do enough. Im sure some fan will aggregate some stats to be excited about fields though and blame everyone else. Expand Not saying Fields played a great game but Cleveland has an outstanding defense and this was an easy win if guys could catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Can’t believe panthers won. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 9:36 PM, CentralChamps21 said: Not saying Fields played a great game but Cleveland has an outstanding defense and this was an easy win if guys could catch the ball. Expand Their defense is good - but point blank Fields never delivers when it matters. Good qbs find a way. I could excuse it not happening today if other times it has happened. With him - it never does. Browns d is legit - bears d is also really good but just faded away at end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 9:36 PM, CentralChamps21 said: Not saying Fields played a great game but Cleveland has an outstanding defense and this was an easy win if guys could catch the ball. Expand He touches the ball every play and the offense scored 10 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 9:17 PM, Dick Allen said: I’m still trying to figure how a Hail Mary was better odds than a 55 yard FG attempt, Expand This is the biggest question of the day. I don't what the conditions are, a field goal has got to have better odds than a hail Mary with 3 seconds left. A miss does not give Cleveland good field position to score. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 9:40 PM, Chisoxfn said: Their defense is good - but point blank Fields never delivers when it matters. Good qbs find a way. I could excuse it not happening today if other times it has happened. With him - it never does. Browns d is legit - bears d is also really good but just faded away at end. Expand This isn’t a defense of Fields, but I really do believe in the idea when they were trying to lose last year..that starts to impact players. You don’t learn what it means to play in those crunch time games. It’s on Fields, but I think it plays a role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 10:08 PM, ptatc said: This is the biggest question of the day. I don't what the conditions are, a field goal has got to have better odds than a hail Mary with 3 seconds left. A miss does not give Cleveland good field position to score. Expand Wasn’t even about field position, there were like 3 seconds left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 9:28 PM, Chisoxfn said: How did the panthers end? Good news is this game getting blown probably prevented Bears for falling for fools gold. Expand This is the silver lining. They can't possibly bypass another qb and stick with fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 10:08 PM, ptatc said: This is the biggest question of the day. I don't what the conditions are, a field goal has got to have better odds than a hail Mary with 3 seconds left. A miss does not give Cleveland good field position to score. Expand Also, they had a timeout left. Instead of that last pass, just run Fields up the middle for 5 yards, fall down, call timeout and then try a 50 yarder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 10:10 PM, CentralChamps21 said: Also, they had a timeout left. Instead of that last pass, just run Fields up the middle for 5 yards, fall down, call timeout and then try a 50 yarder. Expand No pretty sure they used all three to stop the clock on the previous drive 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 10:09 PM, Tony said: Wasn’t even about field position, there were like 3 seconds left. Expand I know. That what I meant. With 3 seconds left it doesn't matter if he misses because it won't help Cleveland. I could understand if Cleveland may get the ball back if there were 30 seconds left. They can't pass up a field goal attempt there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 (edited) On 12/17/2023 at 10:13 PM, Kyyle23 said: No pretty sure they used all three to stop the clock on the previous drive Expand I'm talking about the first half, not the end of the game. Had 7 seconds left with 3rd and 4 at the 37 and one timeout left. Instead of throwing, run up the middle to get 5 yards and call the timeout. Edited December 17, 2023 by CentralChamps21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 10:16 PM, CentralChamps21 said: I'm talking about the first half, not the end of the game. Had 7 seconds left with 3rd and 4 at the 37 and one timeout left. Instead of throwing, run up the middle to get 5 yards and call the timeout. Expand Oh yea, for sure. Book end bad decisions at the end of both halfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 10:13 PM, ptatc said: I know. That what I meant. With 3 seconds left it doesn't matter if he misses because it won't help Cleveland. I could understand if Cleveland may get the ball back if there were 30 seconds left. They can't pass up a field goal attempt there. Expand I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Fields isn't the guy, but this QB class seems especially weak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:05 PM, baseball_gal_aly said: Fields isn't the guy, but this QB class seems especially weak. Expand Some consider Williams one of the best QB prospects ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralChamps21 Posted December 17, 2023 Author Share Posted December 17, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:45 PM, fathom said: Some consider Williams one of the best QB prospects ever Expand Find one of them and trade them the #1 pick for an absolute haul. Make last year's trade look like the Bears got robbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:05 PM, baseball_gal_aly said: Fields isn't the guy, but this QB class seems especially weak. Expand You’re right, he isn't the guy. And I’m willing to take that chance drafting another QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:45 PM, fathom said: Some consider Williams one of the best QB prospects ever Expand Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 (edited) On 12/17/2023 at 11:45 PM, fathom said: Some consider Williams one of the best QB prospects ever Expand I'm not opposed to taking Williams but he has really similar problems to Fields. Both hold the ball for a long time to go big game hunting. Both have problems with ball security. Williams even more so than Fields. Williams has a much quicker release which may be the difference between failure and success in the NFL. Edited December 18, 2023 by chw42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/18/2023 at 1:00 AM, baseball_gal_aly said: Lol Expand It’s true - look up his stats. Everyone is hating on him cause he was so hyped. Watch the film and you see all kinds of special. And he did it with a crap defense and not that loaded of offense around him (not compared to typical power 5 teams of usc caliber). Won a heisman - 2.5 year starter - over 1000 pass attempts - 93 passing touchdowns and 27 rushing touchdowns. 120 total touchdowns and completed 2/3rds of his passes. 14 interceptions and too many fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/17/2023 at 11:49 PM, CentralChamps21 said: Find one of them and trade them the #1 pick for an absolute haul. Make last year's trade look like the Bears got robbed. Expand The Bears don’t have a QB, you absolutely cannot pass on taking a QB with the #1 pick for the second year in a row. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 https://x.com/dave_bfr/status/1736522495677616568?s=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 On 12/18/2023 at 4:43 AM, The Beast said: https://x.com/dave_bfr/status/1736522495677616568?s=20 Expand That’s great, but his opinion is worthless. He’s saying what’s expected for a teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 It's annoying because I don't like dismissing fields, who as a person shows up the right way and plays hard and doesn't complain. But the, you know, conversation around him is so obnoxious. I definitely think he's a top 32 QB in the league. But games like yesterday are all too common where despite being the best player on the field, he's unable to make the plays to will them into position. Cleveland is a very good defense, and it was a very good game! He was rushed a lot! I don't expect him to throw for 4 TDs, but I did want to see like...6 second half points. The next QB that comes in is going to have a much better offense surrounding him than fields did. And that's unfair. But I don't think it hides the truth. If I'm Poles, if Tee Higgins gets to FA you give him the money. You take Williams + a JC Latham or tackle (I don't really know where we'll be picking I"m assuming 11-13 range). You draft a receiver in the third and then a bunch more lineman in the 4th-6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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