Texsox Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 @T R Uthanks for making the thread interesting. Overall I think they did well. Maybe they could have some a little better, but trading the pick eventually made sense to me after I realized it was trade Fields or trade the pick. My hunch is the #9 gets packaged for a line guy (D or O) in a similar situation to Moore. Immediate impact, less risk, less upside than drafting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 7 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: For the record - I would have preferred getting the Panthers other 2nd (plus the one we already got) and a 2025 1st vs Moore. I’d than take my chances on finding a wideout and having the shot at getting two blue chip players in next two years on rookie deals with those high end picks. Hindsight 20/20 - do this trade and don’t do the Claypool trade but revisionist history. I think this is much preferable considering: - This wasn’t a great wideout draft unless you were looking for a slot receiver - the FA market for WR looks like it will continue to be dry - You have to make the 5th year option decision on fields by end of next year Hopkins, Evans may have been great this year, but they are on the precipice of age declines. Those can happen fast. I don’t think there is a better receiver than Moore coming available this offseason. And lastly, this weakens the panthers, which may lead to a much better first rounder next year. They have a great oline, but the skill players are rough for a rookie qb. If they go a raw qb like Richardson, we are talking about a darnold led team with less weapons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Accurate lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 We all know the Panthers QB situation sucked but here are some alarming advanced stats..... Catchable Target Rate- Percentage of total targets that were catchable. Moore- 64.4%.. 90th in the NFL Target Accuracy- grades the Accuracy of each throw on a scale of 1-10. Ratings over 8.0 are afforded highly accurate targets and those below 7.0 are relatively inaccurate Moore- 6.3... 97th in the NFL Idk how much stock to put into those, but my goodness does that sound bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 When do future bets start for the NFL? I'm already drinking the kool-aid. I know Moore is under contract for 3 more years, but I think Poles is gonna try to win this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Kinda feels like the draft might go Stroud then Young, doesn't it? Although I could see Reich having a thing for Levis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, bmags said: I think this is much preferable considering: - This wasn’t a great wideout draft unless you were looking for a slot receiver - the FA market for WR looks like it will continue to be dry - You have to make the 5th year option decision on fields by end of next year Hopkins, Evans may have been great this year, but they are on the precipice of age declines. Those can happen fast. I don’t think there is a better receiver than Moore coming available this offseason. And lastly, this weakens the panthers, which may lead to a much better first rounder next year. They have a great oline, but the skill players are rough for a rookie qb. If they go a raw qb like Richardson, we are talking about a darnold led team with less weapons. This is fair and I am not arguing either. Overall I am happy with the outcome. Not elated but happy. Solid move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Bears are only +300 to win the North next year.... Thought it'd be much higher. If Rodgers leaves, this division is wideeeee open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, scs787 said: When do future bets start for the NFL? I'm already drinking the kool-aid. I know Moore is under contract for 3 more years, but I think Poles is gonna try to win this year. I said a few months ago they should absolutely be competing for a playoff spot this season, and nothing has changed since then. Teams go worst to first every year in the NFL, the Bears should absolutely be that team this year. Those should be the expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Tony said: I said a few months ago they should absolutely be competing for a playoff spot this season, and nothing has changed since then. Teams go worst to first every year in the NFL, the Bears should absolutely be that team this year. Those should be the expectations. I thought a wild card push was possible, now I kinda expect it, and the division should be possible. LT is gonna be the biggest mystery to me. I really do like Braxton Jones and I really think if he puts in the work in the gym, he can be the answer....Brown both intrigues and scares me. He's definitely not what they look for but the talent is obviously there....Then there's Skoronski who I just love, but is arm length reallllly an issue at LT?... Paris Johnson intrigues me as well, but is 9 too high?....Taylor, McGlinchey, and the ATL guy are RTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southwest Sider Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 I read this thread and felt shitty about the trade with how bearish y'all were on Moore, then went to reddit and saw everyone praising us and bears fans actually loving it. I'm pretty stoked right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Me, watching some of y'all complain that gigantic haul the Panthers just gave the Bears wasn't good enough 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShoeLessRob Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Great trade, now invest heavily in the DL, OL, and LB group in FA/Draft and let’s go to war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 If Justin Fields is a bust as some people insist he is (though I will say that the things they say about him are basically the same things they said about Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, and Josh Allen, and still say about Jackson and Hurts) they have enough future draft capital to move on and start over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 Also.... Panthers are more than likely gonna suck next year. I don't think any of the 4 QBs are gonna be that good in year 1, they don't have a 2nd round pick to add to their bad offense without Moore and McCaffery. I would not be surprised if they are a top 5 team next year. If Justin is not the guy, they very well could have 2 high picks and be set up for one of the 2 stud QBs next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 46 minutes ago, scs787 said: Also.... Panthers are more than likely gonna suck next year. I don't think any of the 4 QBs are gonna be that good in year 1, they don't have a 2nd round pick to add to their bad offense without Moore and McCaffery. I would not be surprised if they are a top 5 team next year. If Justin is not the guy, they very well could have 2 high picks and be set up for one of the 2 stud QBs next year. They have a 2nd rounder - it is a pretty early one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 The Panthers will be bad next year but their division SUCKS so if everyone on their team can spell their name, avoid drooling during film sessions, make a poopy, and avoid chewing their fingers off, they should win like 5 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 49 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: They have a 2nd rounder - it is a pretty early one. Ooof, I probably should have checked that before posting. Lol. Point remains. Who is their rookie QB throwing to next year? Ol dude they got from the Jags is their best WR and right now he would probably be the #4 WR on the Bears. The WR draft class sucks as does the free agent market. They could be bad bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 What do we think about Van Ness? He's getting some top 10 love after blowing up the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 32 minutes ago, scs787 said: What do we think about Van Ness? He's getting some top 10 love after blowing up the combine. He’s very good - so I have no issue. Him or the tackles or a trade down and Bijan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scs787 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: He’s very good - so I have no issue. Him or the tackles or a trade down and Bijan. I like Kancey too. Van Ness has really intrigued me though. I don't care for the free agent DEs. Davenport is worth a shot and if he ever stays healthy he has big upside. I like Yannick but not as your #1 guy. I'd love Hargrave. Van Ness-Hargrave-2R-Yannick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Van Ness reminds me of Anthony Nelson for obvious reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 10 hours ago, Heads22 said: Van Ness reminds me of Anthony Nelson for obvious reasons That would be not desirable (though amazingly still an upgrade on the bears) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goober Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 On 3/10/2023 at 4:55 PM, T R U said: Yep, this seems light to me for the #1 pick Hey look, you were right https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2023/03/11/nfl-executive-joe-banner-panthers-bears-trade-dj-moore-2023-draft-no-1-pick/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 If DJ Moore were a Bear the last 5 seasons and put up the exact same numbers, he would be their all time leading receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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