CWSOX45 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 What a bunch of idiots you guys are. At $6 million, Thomas is a bargain. His .952 OPS was 6th in the league. Just look at how much every other hitter who can hit 40 homers and walk 100 times a year is making. Buy a freaking clue, morons. Yes we're all morons, interesting you seemed to left out out one vital stat about Frank. He hits .250 with runners in scoring position....hmmm..now what was our problem in Minnesota when we were swept? Before you go around calling people idiots, maybe you ought to look at other points of views various posters around here have to offer. If not than you should just leave, because you won't be here long. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 What a bunch of idiots you guys are. At $6 million, Thomas is a bargain. His .952 OPS was 6th in the league. Just look at how much every other hitter who can hit 40 homers and walk 100 times a year is making. Buy a freaking clue, morons. Yes we're all morons, interesting you seemed to left out out one vital stat about Frank. He hits .250 with runners in scoring position....hmmm..now what was our problem in Minnesota when we were swept? Before you go around calling people idiots, maybe you ought to look at other points of views various posters around here have to offer. If not than you should just leave, because you won't be here long. CWSOX45 I agree. Calling people "idiots" and "morons" is the quickest way for an admit to deliver the following phrase to you... YOUGAWN!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Lol Aboz, why isn't this idiot just banned. I know its not the policy of the board to just ban people but this guy seems to be a straight up ass. I think we can live without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Lol Aboz, why isn't this idiot just banned. I know its not the policy of the board to just ban people but this guy seems to be a straight up ass. I think we can live without him. He has been an ass but I don't think he's done anything that is deserving of being banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Heres the thing...will Frank be "receptive" enough to take the change to 5th in the batting order. If he hits there, then I have no problems with him swinging for the HRs. But he CANNOT swing like that hitting 3rd in our lineup. Yes, at $6 mill, a guy hitting 40 HRs and hopefully 100 RBIs is a pretty good deal in todays game. IMO it all depends on whether or not a new manager will pencil him in at #5, and stick with it no matter how much whining and complaining our "franchise" does. P.S.- Um, rudeness usually isn't a good way to make new friends here, Jeff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Heres the thing...will Frank be "receptive" enough to take the change to 5th in the batting order. If he hits there, then I have no problems with him swinging for the HRs. But he CANNOT swing like that hitting 3rd in our lineup. Yes, at $6 mill, a guy hitting 40 HRs and hopefully 100 RBIs is a pretty good deal in todays game. IMO it all depends on whether or not a new manager will pencil him in at #5, and stick with it no matter how much whining and complaining our "franchise" does. P.S.- Um, rudeness usually isn't a good way to make new friends here, Jeff.. So if we trade Maggs, who hits 3rd, Lee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 And also, hopefully Frank doesn't have a problem with his contract. Otherwise, if he doesn't like it, opt out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 28, 2003 Share Posted October 28, 2003 Heres the thing...will Frank be "receptive" enough to take the change to 5th in the batting order. If he hits there, then I have no problems with him swinging for the HRs. But he CANNOT swing like that hitting 3rd in our lineup. Yes, at $6 mill, a guy hitting 40 HRs and hopefully 100 RBIs is a pretty good deal in todays game. IMO it all depends on whether or not a new manager will pencil him in at #5, and stick with it no matter how much whining and complaining our "franchise" does. P.S.- Um, rudeness usually isn't a good way to make new friends here, Jeff.. So if we trade Maggs, who hits 3rd, Lee? Absolutely....CLee has shown enough patience at the plate over the last year and a half to hit 3rd. We need speed in front of him, or at least guys that can carry high OBP. That, my friends, is the big mystery in the 2004 Sox lineup right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Your welcome. Do you even know how to use a comma, idiot? BTW, it would not be a comma. I think a semicolan (sp?) should go there. Maybe it's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSOX45 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Heres the thing...will Frank be "receptive" enough to take the change to 5th in the batting order. If he hits there, then I have no problems with him swinging for the HRs. But he CANNOT swing like that hitting 3rd in our lineup. Yes, at $6 mill, a guy hitting 40 HRs and hopefully 100 RBIs is a pretty good deal in todays game. IMO it all depends on whether or not a new manager will pencil him in at #5, and stick with it no matter how much whining and complaining our "franchise" does. P.S.- Um, rudeness usually isn't a good way to make new friends here, Jeff.. So if we trade Maggs, who hits 3rd, Lee? Yes. Lee has stepped it up in the past and has the potential to put up HUGE numbers when batting in the third hole. In 286 at bats in the number three hole Lee is hitting .277 with 25 homeruns and 73 RBI's. His on-base percentage is 14 points higher than it is in the number 2 hole. What I'm trying to say is that I could live with C Lee batting second or third. CWSOX45 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Sometimes you have to look at more than stax. Frank is obviously a Sox icon, the best offensive player in the history of the team. In the old days, you'd want him in a Sox uniform forever. But the old ways no longer work, not with free agency and payroll disparities. Sox have to put together a complete team within the budget JR presents. And Frank is no longer a good fit. He causes disruptions in the clubhouse. He is incredibly streaky, certain to lapse into two or three lengthy funks every season. He bristles at playing first base and then starts to hit when he goes out there. Defensively, though, you can't afford to have him out there. He pouts when he doesn't hit third. He is a station to station runner who clogs up the bases in the middle of the order. He refuses to slide and runs into too many avoidable outs. It's time to turn this team over to some younger and hungrier players. Not that he will actually leave. He'll be back. For the second consecutive season, no other team will offer him a contract, which tells you all you need to know about how much other teams value what The Big Hurt has to offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Sometimes you have to look at more than stax. Frank is obviously a Sox icon, the best offensive player in the history of the team. In the old days, you'd want him in a Sox uniform forever. But the old ways no longer work, not with free agency and payroll disparities. Sox have to put together a complete team within the budget JR presents. And Frank is no longer a good fit. He causes disruptions in the clubhouse. He is incredibly streaky, certain to lapse into two or three lengthy funks every season. He bristles at playing first base and then starts to hit when he goes out there. Defensively, though, you can't afford to have him out there. He pouts when he doesn't hit third. He is a station to station runner who clogs up the bases in the middle of the order. He refuses to slide and runs into too many avoidable outs. It's time to turn this team over to some younger and hungrier players. Not that he will actually leave. He'll be back. For the second consecutive season, no other team will offer him a contract, which tells you all you need to know about how much other teams value what The Big Hurt has to offer. Agreed on all points. As much as most of us want him gone, the cancer will return next season. All of the points raised in this post are valid. 2/3 week Slumps. Terrible base running. Refusing to slide. Pouting when he doesn't bat 3rd. And while I respect the man for his contributions to the Sox, he's not the player he once was. If he can accept a diminished role, then he's worth keeping around. However, if he thinks he's the answer to anything, I'd sure as hell hate to hear the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Sometimes you have to look at more than stax. Frank is obviously a Sox icon, the best offensive player in the history of the team. In the old days, you'd want him in a Sox uniform forever. But the old ways no longer work, not with free agency and payroll disparities. Sox have to put together a complete team within the budget JR presents. And Frank is no longer a good fit. He causes disruptions in the clubhouse. He is incredibly streaky, certain to lapse into two or three lengthy funks every season. He bristles at playing first base and then starts to hit when he goes out there. Defensively, though, you can't afford to have him out there. He pouts when he doesn't hit third. He is a station to station runner who clogs up the bases in the middle of the order. He refuses to slide and runs into too many avoidable outs. It's time to turn this team over to some younger and hungrier players. Not that he will actually leave. He'll be back. For the second consecutive season, no other team will offer him a contract, which tells you all you need to know about how much other teams value what The Big Hurt has to offer. With all that being said, WU83, we still will have #35 on the roster throwing his little pouting fits in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 yes, we will have him back. let it serve as a reminder of the danger and downside of giving somebody one of those long, long contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Your welcome. Do you even know how to use a comma, idiot? Isn't it obvious that this guy is a bitter troll, most likely one of the bannished? Don't get too wound up about this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 aren't we lucky? more home runs. and more DPs and pop outs to short right field. Put me in the group that would rather see Thomas ship himself out of town. Frank's our ShamME now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffHanneman Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 What a bunch of idiots you guys are. At $6 million, Thomas is a bargain. His .952 OPS was 6th in the league. Just look at how much every other hitter who can hit 40 homers and walk 100 times a year is making. Buy a freaking clue, morons. Yes we're all morons, interesting you seemed to left out out one vital stat about Frank. He hits .250 with runners in scoring position....hmmm..now what was our problem in Minnesota when we were swept? Before you go around calling people idiots, maybe you ought to look at other points of views various posters around here have to offer. If not than you should just leave, because you won't be here long. CWSOX45 He hits .250 with runners in scoring position Try taking the time to look up his splits before making a statement like this, moron. He did not hit .250 with RISP. It was such a "vital" stat, you couldn't even take the time to look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffHanneman Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Heres the thing...will Frank be "receptive" enough to take the change to 5th in the batting order. If he hits there, then I have no problems with him swinging for the HRs. But he CANNOT swing like that hitting 3rd in our lineup. Yes, at $6 mill, a guy hitting 40 HRs and hopefully 100 RBIs is a pretty good deal in todays game. IMO it all depends on whether or not a new manager will pencil him in at #5, and stick with it no matter how much whining and complaining our "franchise" does. P.S.- Um, rudeness usually isn't a good way to make new friends here, Jeff.. So if we trade Maggs, who hits 3rd, Lee? Absolutely....CLee has shown enough patience at the plate over the last year and a half to hit 3rd. We need speed in front of him, or at least guys that can carry high OBP. That, my friends, is the big mystery in the 2004 Sox lineup right now. Absolutely....CLee has shown enough patience at the plate over the last year and a half to hit 3rd. I'll be laughing about this for quite some time. Thanks, kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 For arguments sake, here are Franks numbers for 2003 in situational areas: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Bases Empty 151 307 23 68 13 0 23 23 43 72 0 0 .221 .325 .489 .813 Runners On 145 239 64 78 22 0 19 82 57 43 0 0 .326 .464 .657 1.121 RISP 121 125 47 35 9 0 8 52 32 27 0 0 .280 .440 .544 .984 RISP w/2 Outs 73 59 22 18 4 0 3 25 10 14 0 0 .305 .423 .525 .948 Bases Loaded 22 6 14 2 0 0 1 9 2 2 0 0 .333 .444 .833 1.278 Also, JeffHanneman, not sure who you consider to be a "kid" here, but ya might wanna build up a reputation on Soxtalk before you start endless flames and attacks on other members character. Just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffHanneman Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Sometimes you have to look at more than stax. Frank is obviously a Sox icon, the best offensive player in the history of the team. In the old days, you'd want him in a Sox uniform forever. But the old ways no longer work, not with free agency and payroll disparities. Sox have to put together a complete team within the budget JR presents. And Frank is no longer a good fit. He causes disruptions in the clubhouse. He is incredibly streaky, certain to lapse into two or three lengthy funks every season. He bristles at playing first base and then starts to hit when he goes out there. Defensively, though, you can't afford to have him out there. He pouts when he doesn't hit third. He is a station to station runner who clogs up the bases in the middle of the order. He refuses to slide and runs into too many avoidable outs. It's time to turn this team over to some younger and hungrier players. Not that he will actually leave. He'll be back. For the second consecutive season, no other team will offer him a contract, which tells you all you need to know about how much other teams value what The Big Hurt has to offer. He is incredibly streaky, certain to lapse into two or three lengthy funks every season. Name one player on this team who didn't have a two week stretch where they produced next to nothing, you simple-minded twit. <<For the second consecutive season, no other team will offer him a contract,>> You are as mistaken as a woman over 35 who thinks she's attractive. Frank was offered a contract last season by the Dodgers. This year THE FREE AGENT MARKET hasn't even opened yet! Try buying a clue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 If Frank is such a bargain, how come he hasn't been able to land an offer from a single other team? The Sox need to reshape their batting order. too many plodders in the middle of the order. With Frank unable to play the field and unwilling to be flexible about where he hits, he's a top candidate to leave. But he'll be back. He always is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffHanneman Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 What a bunch of idiots you guys are. At $6 million, Thomas is a bargain. His .952 OPS was 6th in the league. Just look at how much every other hitter who can hit 40 homers and walk 100 times a year is making. Buy a freaking clue, morons. Yes we're all morons, interesting you seemed to left out out one vital stat about Frank. He hits .250 with runners in scoring position....hmmm..now what was our problem in Minnesota when we were swept? Before you go around calling people idiots, maybe you ought to look at other points of views various posters around here have to offer. If not than you should just leave, because you won't be here long. CWSOX45 I agree. Calling people "idiots" and "morons" is the quickest way for an admit to deliver the following phrase to you... YOUGAWN!!!! Please do ban me. With a twit like you as a moderator, it is pretty apparent that this isn't much of a message board anyways. What a bunch of idiots you guys are. At $6 million, Thomas is a bargain. His .952 OPS was 6th in the league. Just look at how much every other hitter who can hit 40 homers and walk 100 times a year is making. Buy a freaking clue, morons. Yes we're all morons, interesting you seemed to left out out one vital stat about Frank. He hits .250 with runners in scoring position....hmmm..now what was our problem in Minnesota when we were swept? Before you go around calling people idiots, maybe you ought to look at other points of views various posters around here have to offer. If not than you should just leave, because you won't be here long. CWSOX45 I agree. Calling people "idiots" and "morons" is the quickest way for an admit to deliver the following phrase to you... YOUGAWN!!!! Please do ban me. With a twit like you as a moderator, it is pretty apparent that this isn't much of a message board anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 You're right. The Dodgers begged, pleaded and cried for frank to come to El Lay. They whined him, dined him and promised him that he would be the next Steve Garvey. They said they had never seen a first baseman as graceful as ol Number 35, with that bullet throwing arm that intimidates base stealers who get caught leaning too far. And then .... oops, he came back to the White Sox. And you're also right that the free agency market hasn't opened yet. For the last three-plus weeks, Arn Tellem has been sitting quietly in California, talking to nobody, tuning out the market, waiting for his phone to ring during the short period that he and Frank have to decide if they are going to take the guaranteed $6 million from the Sox or risk having the team pay him $8 million or truly plunging into the free agent market. You've been outted JeffHanneman. You're really Steve Bartman. Don't throw fire at me, scarecrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 OK so lets start the betting pool... JeffHenneman=Bmr, Clu, or Roman? You decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffHanneman Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 For arguments sake, here are Franks numbers for 2003 in situational areas: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Bases Empty 151 307 23 68 13 0 23 23 43 72 0 0 .221 .325 .489 .813 Runners On 145 239 64 78 22 0 19 82 57 43 0 0 .326 .464 .657 1.121 RISP 121 125 47 35 9 0 8 52 32 27 0 0 .280 .440 .544 .984 RISP w/2 Outs 73 59 22 18 4 0 3 25 10 14 0 0 .305 .423 .525 .948 Bases Loaded 22 6 14 2 0 0 1 9 2 2 0 0 .333 .444 .833 1.278 Also, JeffHanneman, not sure who you consider to be a "kid" here, but ya might wanna build up a reputation on Soxtalk before you start endless flames and attacks on other members character. Just a thought before you start endless flames and attacks on other members character You are the one who claimed that Frank hit .250 with RISP last season. Stating your obvious ignorance on the subject is simply a fact, not a character attack. You do a good job of grinding your own character through the mud. You don't need my assistance for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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