MikeKreevich Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I can't read the article, (who pays for that s%*# paper), so it is hard to comment on Jose's comments. I would hope he would not have negative comments about his former team, even if there were negatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: I feel like there needs to be some self reflection there by Jose. Wasn’t he supposed to be the clubhouse leader that combats these kinds of problems? Don’t get me wrong, I put a lot of blame on TLR and his staff, but the players should also be able to self police themselves to have a functional clubhouse. It wasn't his job, though. Any time a player provides leadership, it should be considered a bonus rather than something they are supposed to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MikeKreevich said: I can't read the article, (who pays for that s%*# paper), so it is hard to comment on Jose's comments. I would hope he would not have negative comments about his former team, even if there were negatives. I was going to say, we all know the clubhouse was negative last couple of years. Enjoy your new contract with a perennial World Series contender. Edited March 3, 2023 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 No comment is an acceptable answer, Jose. Just saying. I am sure it is nice to be an Astros fan and player but they are a scumbag organization imo. I choose to remember how Jose was in the community here with his Abreu's Amigos but as he is part of the Astros I really cannot root for him any longer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOFHurt35 Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I'm one of the biggest Jose supporters ever, but dude, that was your locker room. Shut the f*** up. It wasn't Tony's locker room, it wasn't TA's or Liam's. It was Jose Abreu, everyone tied the Latin pipeline of talent to him and him taking them to the next level. Unfortunately Jose wasn't the leader we thought he was. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 2 hours ago, fathom said: It’s truly amazing how bad of a hire Tony was Do you think that Reinsdorf ever has a moment of clarity in which he does realize "darn, that really was an awful hire"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I know the kneejerk reaction will be to interpret this as Abreu being in the right and TLR/other players in the wrong, but... hasn't Abreu always publicly had TLR's back? I can see the sort of "just put your head down and play the game the right way" sentiment being shared by both of them...and maybe not resonating with everyone else once the raw talent wasn't enough to carry them through adversity last season. The fact that people fondly remember Cueto demanding some "fire" seems like an acknowledgement that's what this team needed. Same thing with Elvis trying to up the energy. TLR, of course, was a wet blanket...but Abreu also doesn't seem quite the firestarter type. Which is fine. He got a bag to go play for a team where he doesn't have to be that. And maybe his absence leaves space for a more vocal, "fiery" style of leadership that's better suited to this squad ?♀️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: I'm one of the biggest Jose supporters ever, but dude, that was your locker room. Shut the f*** up. It wasn't Tony's locker room, it wasn't TA's or Liam's. It was Jose Abreu, everyone tied the Latin pipeline of talent to him and him taking them to the next level. Unfortunately Jose wasn't the leader we thought he was. Then why the f*** was Tony hired? To sleep? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: I know the kneejerk reaction will be to interpret this as Abreu being in the right and TLR/other players in the wrong, but... hasn't Abreu always publicly had TLR's back? I can see the sort of "just put your head down and play the game the right way" sentiment being shared by both of them...and maybe not resonating with everyone else once the raw talent wasn't enough to carry them through adversity last season. The fact that people fondly remember Cueto demanding some "fire" seems like an acknowledgement that's what this team needed. Same thing with Elvis trying to up the energy. TLR, of course, was a wet blanket...but Abreu also doesn't seem quite the firestarter type. Which is fine. He got a bag to go play for a team where he doesn't have to be that. And maybe his absence leaves space for a more vocal, "fiery" style of leadership that's better suited to this squad ?♀️ So you think the guy who practiced sliding in the dugout for no other apparent purpose other than amusing his teammates was a just keep your head down and play guy now? Edited March 3, 2023 by FourEyesShottenhoffer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said: I'm one of the biggest Jose supporters ever, but dude, that was your locker room. Shut the f*** up. It wasn't Tony's locker room, it wasn't TA's or Liam's. It was Jose Abreu, everyone tied the Latin pipeline of talent to him and him taking them to the next level. Unfortunately Jose wasn't the leader we thought he was. I don't understand this take at all. It wasn't in his contract to overcome any amount of dysfunction that arose. Having unrealistic expectations about what Abreu was capable of as a leader is nobody's fault but those creating those expectations. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, FourEyesShottenhoffer said: So you think the guy who practiced sliding in the dugout for no other apparent purpose other than amusing his teammates was a just keep your head down and play guy now? Nah, I'm not saying he was a buzzkill or anything. I loved that moment from him, along with him racing guys back to the dugout and such. He's great at stoking a fire that's already ablaze (and thus a great fit for the blazing hot Astros). But specifically when the team was in a funk, he seemed to have more of a "buckle down harder" reaction if that makes sense? It's not a knock on him or anything, just a difference of approach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 3 hours ago, MikeKreevich said: I can't read the article, (who pays for that s%*# paper), so it is hard to comment on Jose's comments. I would hope he would not have negative comments about his former team, even if there were negatives. It can be read in reader view without subscription Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted March 3, 2023 Share Posted March 3, 2023 I wonder, based on Abreu’s comments last Spring, if he knew he was out the door all of last year and that he’s hurt feelings permeated the entire clubhouse. A leader’s feelings can be contagious be they positive or negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Timmy U said: I wonder, based on Abreu’s comments last Spring, if he knew he was out the door all of last year and that he’s hurt feelings permeated the entire clubhouse. A leader’s feelings can be contagious be they positive or negative. Ha too deep for me. Everybody do what you're paid to do and live up to your potential. Players can't be soft and worry about feelings. Your enemy is your opponent not your team mate. Go to war, become a band of brothers with destroying the opposition mind set. The fans are not your enemy nor are broadcasters. Do not pay attention to anything but your opponent. Social media is your enemy. You play hard and win and everyone will love you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 9 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: "Sometimes", Abreu said,"when you're at a place where maybe you're not being respected to the point where you think you should be, you just have to go somewhere else." Hahn's bullshit lowball offer to one of the franchise's best players didn't sit well. Shocking He was lowballed because he ran his course on this roster. Having Jose would have been great, but it was no longer realistic based on the roster construction. The FO is to blame for that, but letting the much older and declining player leave was the right call. The Sox beating the Astros offer would have been an atrocious use of resources. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Even for us that expected it to be awful, it was catastrophic. Exponentially worse than any of us even imagined. Oh, I imagined it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) Deep thoughts by Jack Handey. Madrigal moving about as well as I can remember for Cubs tonight on the basepaths...seems to realize his career trajectory is seriously at stake, finally. Edited March 4, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said: He was lowballed because he ran his course on this roster. Having Jose would have been great, but it was no longer realistic based on the roster construction. The FO is to blame for that, but letting the much older and declining player leave was the right call. The Sox beating the Astros offer would have been an atrocious use of resources. Well...other than Greg775, haven't seen anyone advocating giving him that contract for his full decline years. Astros had a similar situation with Gurriel and seem to be repeating it...hoping for one or one and one-half solid seasons left in that bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 This is actually good news to me - because at least we have a new sheriff in town in terms of managing the clubhouse. So if it really was as bad as some of us imagined - that means the benefits of potential upside with change are that much better 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 16 hours ago, fathom said: It’s truly amazing how bad of a hire Tony was and SO many people here defended it as if they were dying on that hill, which was so damn weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossanoveralls Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 4 hours ago, joejoesox said: and SO many people here defended it as if they were dying on that hill, which was so damn weird At first, I liked the Tony hire. Until I didn't. I am a fan, but he should have stayed retired. And Jerry should have let him. They must have been thinking great movie instead of great baseball team. I don't care how rich Jerry is. He's still a putz. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I don’t mind Jose being critical here at all. He didn’t need to say the Astros were some sort of family, impossible to know that three weeks in, and that seems like shade for sake of shade. I would be pissed too if I gave everything I had for 10 years and had a dysfunctional last year in a dysfunctional organization to show for it. Based on all he did for the White Sox, I will give him a pass. It is interesting to see that Ron’s 5 year plan of poisoning of the board’s perception of Jose Abreu has finally bore fruit with other posters. Imagine thinking Jose Abreu, man who outplayed his 3 year contract by leaps and bounds, was somehow also responsible for TA’s distractions, Robert’s mystery injuries, Eloy not being able to stay in the lineup, Moncada’s apparent lack of interest, AJ Pollock being bad, Vaughn and Sheets sucking out of position, Leury being overused. The goalposts are unbelievable for this guy. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 12 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Well...other than Greg775, haven't seen anyone advocating giving him that contract for his full decline years. Astros had a similar situation with Gurriel and seem to be repeating it...hoping for one or one and one-half solid seasons left in that bat. Ole Harry seems to indicate he would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox72 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 What the f*** are the people - the same people who have been rightfully bashing the organization all off-season - even taking umbrage with here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 19 hours ago, Autumn Dreamin said: I know the kneejerk reaction will be to interpret this as Abreu being in the right and TLR/other players in the wrong, but... hasn't Abreu always publicly had TLR's back? I can see the sort of "just put your head down and play the game the right way" sentiment being shared by both of them...and maybe not resonating with everyone else once the raw talent wasn't enough to carry them through adversity last season. The fact that people fondly remember Cueto demanding some "fire" seems like an acknowledgement that's what this team needed. Same thing with Elvis trying to up the energy. TLR, of course, was a wet blanket...but Abreu also doesn't seem quite the firestarter type. Which is fine. He got a bag to go play for a team where he doesn't have to be that. And maybe his absence leaves space for a more vocal, "fiery" style of leadership that's better suited to this squad ?♀️ The players don't know what is good for them. Tony is the devil, and he is responsible for everything wrong with last year's team and the teams going forward. I'm not sure how long it will take to shed the TLR stink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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