Capn12 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 OK, I saw someone asking about this somewhere on a post, so I did a little bit of research. Here is where the Sox stand in terms of 2004 payroll. It is indeed not real pretty right now: Billy Koch: $6.375 mil Paul Konerko: $8.0 mil *Esteban Loaiza: $3.5 mil Magglio Ordonez: $14.0 mil *Frank Thomas: $6.0 mil ---------------------------------- Thats $37.875 million in 5 players. The *'s designate that those salarise are based on options held on the named players that the Sox/player are expected to exercise. Also, you must consider the fact that guys like Joe Crede, Miguel Olivo, Aaron Rowand, Dan Wright and Willie Harris can be salary controlled by the club due to MLB service time. Also, we have Buehrle, CLee, Garland, and Wunsch that can go to arbitration. Finally, we have Robbie, Sandy, Jose, Graffy, Sullivan, Flash, Colon and Marte that can look at Free Agency. The guys in charge have some serious issues to consider for alot of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 That's why KW gets paid the big bucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Wunsch had a 1 year contract so it isn't exactly a big deal to worry about him and arbitration. He made like 575,000 last year. I don't think thats a big worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 In my mind, JR could definitely spend the money if he chose to. He's lived in a basically rent-free ballpark for the better part of a decade. He's cried poor for as long as I can remember. You have to spend money to make money. That said, I'm certain that he's pointing at the Angels and Marlins as the reason NOT to spend one dime more than he decides is necessary. Which would be fine, IF they hadn't tied so much money into so few players. Expect a few second or third-tier FA signings, but NO socks to be knocked off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Let me get this straight, Damaso Marte can file for free agency. That can't be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Let me get this straight, Damaso Marte can file for free agency. That can't be right. No, now I know for a fact he doesn't have enough time in the bigs to file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 No, now I know for a fact he doesn't have enough time in the bigs to file. That is exactly what I was thinking. I thought he went under the same category as Crede and Harris. He is older than those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 That is exactly what I was thinking. I thought he went under the same category as Crede and Harris. He is older than those guys. He was in the minors for awhile. If I recall, he wasn't going to make the Pirates roster and KW traded for him, and he turned out to be a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 He was in the minors for awhile. If I recall, he wasn't going to make the Pirates roster and KW traded for him, and he turned out to be a stud. Just thought that I would for no reason show the trade. Damaso Marte and Ruddy Yan for Matt Guerrier WTG! KW! cough, cough what a fluke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApplingsRevenge Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 OK, I saw someone asking about this somewhere on a post, so I did a little bit of research. Here is where the Sox stand in terms of 2004 payroll. It is indeed not real pretty right now: Billy Koch: $6.375 mil Paul Konerko: $8.0 mil *Esteban Loaiza: $3.5 mil Magglio Ordonez: $14.0 mil *Frank Thomas: $6.0 mil ---------------------------------- Thats $37.875 million in 5 players. The *'s designate that those salarise are based on options held on the named players that the Sox/player are expected to exercise. Also, you must consider the fact that guys like Joe Crede, Miguel Olivo, Aaron Rowand, Dan Wright and Willie Harris can be salary controlled by the club due to MLB service time. Also, we have Buehrle, CLee, Garland, and Wunsch that can go to arbitration. Finally, we have Robbie, Sandy, Jose, Graffy, Sullivan, Flash, Colon and Marte that can look at Free Agency. The guys in charge have some serious issues to consider for alot of these guys. In my opinion the White Sox should do what they can to deal Koch, but it's probably pretty close to impossible for anyone to take a guy that lost 6-7 miles off his fastball inexplicably (I believe he's injured). Konerko is a personal favorite, but has no value on the trade market (I don't believe they'll just dump him) so we're stuck with him. Unfortunately, the odd man out here is more than likely Ordonez, provided we get maximum in talent return on a trade. I would make the Ordonez for Soriano deal straight up if the Yankees would have it, it increases salary flexibility, is fiscally responsible and gives us the opportunity to possibly keep Everett & stay in the picture to re-sign Colon. Let's say we make the Ordonez/Soriano trade & sign Everett to a 2 year contract at 8 million a year (I realize I'm probably low on the offer #) & manage to land Colon at 13 million per year for X amt of years. We're now talking about 22.2 million for Colon, Soriano (isn't he projected at 1.2 million next year?) and Everett in 2004 rather than 14 million for Ordonez. It just makes more sense. Sorry about the long GM rant! ApplingsRevenge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 29, 2003 Author Share Posted October 29, 2003 You can be arbitration eligible after your second year if you had at least 86 days on the roster in your second year and were in the top 17% of second year players in regards to service time. Days do matter. Free agency also comes after 6 years of service time, not calendar years. Players with 3, 4, or 5 years of service time and the top 17% of the 2 year players may opt for arbitration in order to come to a contract 2003 was Martes 4th year in MLB, but I don't know who defines a "year" of MLB service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 29, 2003 Author Share Posted October 29, 2003 OK, I saw someone asking about this somewhere on a post, so I did a little bit of research. Here is where the Sox stand in terms of 2004 payroll. It is indeed not real pretty right now: Billy Koch: $6.375 mil Paul Konerko: $8.0 mil *Esteban Loaiza: $3.5 mil Magglio Ordonez: $14.0 mil *Frank Thomas: $6.0 mil ---------------------------------- Thats $37.875 million in 5 players. The *'s designate that those salarise are based on options held on the named players that the Sox/player are expected to exercise. Also, you must consider the fact that guys like Joe Crede, Miguel Olivo, Aaron Rowand, Dan Wright and Willie Harris can be salary controlled by the club due to MLB service time. Also, we have Buehrle, CLee, Garland, and Wunsch that can go to arbitration. Finally, we have Robbie, Sandy, Jose, Graffy, Sullivan, Flash, Colon and Marte that can look at Free Agency. The guys in charge have some serious issues to consider for alot of these guys. In my opinion the White Sox should do what they can to deal Koch, but it's probably pretty close to impossible for anyone to take a guy that lost 6-7 miles off his fastball inexplicably (I believe he's injured). Konerko is a personal favorite, but has no value on the trade market (I don't believe they'll just dump him) so we're stuck with him. Unfortunately, the odd man out here is more than likely Ordonez, provided we get maximum in talent return on a trade. I would make the Ordonez for Soriano deal straight up if the Yankees would have it, it increases salary flexibility, is fiscally responsible and gives us the opportunity to possibly keep Everett & stay in the picture to re-sign Colon. Let's say we make the Ordonez/Soriano trade & sign Everett to a 2 year contract at 8 million a year (I realize I'm probably low on the offer #) & manage to land Colon at 13 million per year for X amt of years. We're now talking about 22.2 million for Colon, Soriano (isn't he projected at 1.2 million next year?) and Everett in 2004 rather than 14 million for Ordonez. It just makes more sense. Sorry about the long GM rant! ApplingsRevenge I do agree with ya, ApplingsRevenge. If I can make a deal with the Yanks, Ordonez for Soriano straight up, I accept it before I hang the phone up. That deal makes too much sense for you not to take. It solves 3 problems at once; #1) We move 14 mill off the payroll, #2) We get someone young to fill our second base hole, #3) We now have an extra 12 million to do what we need. I can only dream of a deal like this being done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 I think most of us agree that if that deal was available we'd do it. The question is whether the Yanks would or wouldn't. I'm gonna hope they would and it seems like the kind of deal KW could be involved in, of course we know a PTBNL will be involved in some way shape or form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Jerry has cried poor for as long as I can remember. I don't understand why you would buy a ball team just to say you cannot afford it. I know he is in it to make money but would it kill him to please the fans of the team once in their lifetimes and go for the big one? I did a little research and as of 2002 (for the 2001 season) the Sox had a revenue close to 100 million. Jerry is constantly making money and not spending it and feeding us a line of bulls*** every time. The guy has the money and so do the investors. If they don't want to spend any money and make a good product to put on the field then they aren't maximizing their profits. Little do they understand that a product that is popular and desired is more profitable than one that is not desired and not very popular. They should think about it. Sorry, just my venting. After I read that Reiny had a firm that he sold for billions of dollars. I have a few exerpts from the interview I found pretty interesting..... About the '97 white flag trade.... Speaking of baseball (and basketball), did his years in real estate make him a good trader of players, I wonder. "You're talking about the trade we made in 1997. We discovered the fans didn't like our team. It wasn't so much that the team wasn't winning, but they weren't friendly to the fans, didn't act like they were playing for the fans. My feeling was that our fans wanted a Chicago-style team that plays hard, gets dirty, signs autographs and interacts with the fans. We had some veteran players who were going to demand large amounts of money, and we thought it was foolish to give it to them. And so we decided to basically start over. The guys that we traded have done very little since we traded them, and the young players that we acquired have become the backbone of this team, so it turned out that it was a very good trade." Was it planned? "It was absolutely planned. Now some guy's written that there's a new verb in sports: `to Reinsdorf'--to take a team that looks like it can win, but really can't and break it up." Is that what you did with the Bulls? "In basketball it's harder because there are no minor leagues, and you can't trade for younger players. When Michael [Jordan] decided to retire, we knew that if we brought everybody else back, we would not win. And to get them back, we had to commit ourselves to long-term contracts. So we decided to let them go and let someone else pay them at the end of their careers, and we start over with a foundation of quality young players." But I read that few players want to join the Bulls. "The same people who massacred me when the White Sox made a decision to start over again are now massacring me when the Bulls made a decision to start over again. It looks like the White Sox decision was the right decision--although the season's not over yet. And time, I believe, will prove that we made the right decision with the Bulls." And about him being an owner because he finds it fun and a challenge, not to make money... "I always loved sports, and I made enough money from the sale of the company that I didn't need to do something I didn't like. The teams are a significant part of my net worth, but I'm in sports because I love being in sports. I didn't get into sports to make money. I think I've been lucky that during the time I've been involved in sports, the value of sports franchises has gone up. (A recent analysis in the Wall Street Journal estimates that the value of the average baseball franchise has soared to $233 million from $115 million in the last five years--about the same percentage gain that the bull market in stocks returned. The Sox were purchased for $19 million in 1981, and the Bulls were bought for $16 million in 1985.) Reinsdorf continues: "Also, we were fortunate to build the United Center along with Bill Wirtz, so that created another asset. But I'm involved in sports strictly because I'm competitive and I love sports and like the challenge." Although the interview wasn't supposed to be about sports, he opened the door by mentioning the United Center. So I asked about Comiskey Park, which has been in the news lately. Is he thinking of a reconstruction project? Sorry if I got a litle longwinded guys. Just letting you know what I found in a little of my research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 The more long-winded, the better. Just a thought - could Jeremy Reed (if given the starting CF job) be our version of Jerome Walton? The guy can hit. Yeah, he'll be facing major-league pitching, but Juan Pierre has shown that if you are fast, have a quick bat, and can smack the ball around, you will cause some serious trouble for the opposition. (Let me premise that by saying that I think he's BETTER than Walton, and he won't fade away like a burning bush in Arizona like Walton did). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 As for Reinsdorf - why would he buy a team just to cry poor? Guys like him who have a ton of money like to have toys. A baseball team to him is just a toy. Yes, it's an investment, but he puts nothing back into it. The White Sox to Jerry Reinsdorf is nothing more than a Sony Playstation. He likes to tinker with it and play with it once in a while, but if it sits on the shelf and collects dust, it's no sweat off his brow. Once again, he said that he would gladly trade in the Bulls 6 championship rings for one World Series ring. Let's give him kudos for being a public relations guru. That sounds great, and it affects people's mindsets, but he's as full of s*** as the New York sewage system. Until he proves it by spending more money and backing up his hollow and shallow words, he's nothing more than a con artist and liar to me - and thousands of us who can see through his crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Maggs for Soriano, i want. But for minor leagues or pitchers for the BP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 What?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 What?? I think he meant to say, "But NOT for minor leaguers or the bullpen." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted October 29, 2003 Share Posted October 29, 2003 Okay. I was lost there for a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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