Lip Man 1 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: The Kenny era and Hahn era were nothing alike. Here's just one metric: Kenny Williams "winning" seasons 2001-2012: 8 / 2 playoff appearances / 1 World Championship Rick Hahn "winning" seasons: 2013-2022: 2 / 2 playoff appearances / two first round losses 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4uckOffCommieScum Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 hours ago, pcq said: What if 11,870 fans showed up and rode Rick out of town on the Illinois Central rail. That only goes as far as New Orleans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjusttyped Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Here's just one metric: Kenny Williams "winning" seasons 2001-2012: 8 / 2 playoff appearances / 1 World Championship Rick Hahn "winning" seasons: 2013-2022: 2 / 2 playoff appearances / two first round losses Kenny's best team got hot in October and Rick's didn't. I'll always cherish that 2005 season just like everyone else on here, but he was no better as an exec than Rick. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 The sad thing about the Sox promoting someone within for the GM gig would be that the gig would be highly coveted since it’s Chicago. People would line up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: Kenny's best team got hot in October and Rick's didn't. I'll always cherish that 2005 season just like everyone else on here, but he was no better as an exec than Rick. Much better with FA's. Much better with scrap heap career resurrections like Marte DeAza Thornton Jenks Santos. Fielded competitive teams consistently... and over a much longer time period. Hahn has zero successful achievements to compare. Every team with a Top 5 MiLB system has eventually made the playoffs at least once in the modern era. And 2020 team wouldn't have made it if played out over a longer season with more play outside the Central Division. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 hours ago, South Side Fireworks Man said: After living through the Hahn era, I long for the Kenny era. At least the offseasons and the trade deadlines were always interesting. And they did win a World Series. I want the Larry Himes era. Consistent sustained top drafted players, quality player development, smart trades. Larry built the only consistently great Sox teams over the past half century. Of course Jerry pulled the plug on Larry Himes because he didn't kiss enough Reinsdorf ass, and then Reinsdorf pulled the plug on any hope of a White Sox World Series by destroying the 1994 season to "break the union" followed a few years later with the White Flag Trade. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 3 hours ago, The Grinder said: If hes employed by the White Sox, he;s a loser This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: This. Minnie Minoso and Moose Skowron too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Minnie Minoso and Moose Skowron too? Dude stop. This is a joke of an organization run by several POS loser douchebags. So they've had a small handful of outstanding players few and far between in their long history. That doesn't meaningfully change what he said. It's still a loser franchise. They are one lucky year away from being the Detroit Lions. They gather all these high end prospects and can't even win one fucking playoff series in their "title window" and now we can't even win a regular season series. The cheapskate old man, KW and the silver tongued Harvard Law grad BS artist could ruin a wet dream....and probably with ease. BTW your Madres are below .500 too. 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, soxrwhite said: If winning a championship is the true litmus test then Rays have ZERO championships and the Dodgers have the same as the white Sox (ONE) since 1988. Who said that was the true litmus test? It’s not. (Also the Dodgers have two since 1988 inclusive.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: I want the Larry Himes era. Consistent sustained top drafted players, quality player development, smart trades. Larry built the only consistently great Sox teams over the past half century. Of course Jerry pulled the plug on Larry Himes because he didn't kiss enough Reinsdorf ass, and then Reinsdorf pulled the plug on any hope of a White Sox World Series by destroying the 1994 season to "break the union" followed a few years later with the White Flag Trade. The Ron Schueler era would be just fine at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 52 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Dude stop. This is a joke of an organization run by several POS loser douchebags. So they've had a small handful of outstanding players few and far between in their long history. That doesn't meaningfully change what he said. It's still a loser franchise. They are one lucky year away from being the Detroit Lions. They gather all these high end prospects and can't even win one fucking playoff series in their "title window" and now we can't even win a regular season series. The cheapskate old man, KW and the silver tongued Harvard Law grad BS artist could ruin a wet dream....and probably with ease. BTW your Madres are below .500 too. No Tatis yet lol...tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Not under Reinsdorf they wouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GradMc Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Just now, GradMc said: Not under Reinsdorf . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Bring it on! He’s earned it for overseeing the 28th ranked farm system in baseball! This org is such a joke. Nothing changes until Jerry sells or dies unfortunately. 7 hours ago, Joshua Strong said: The sad thing about the Sox promoting someone within for the GM gig would be that the gig would be highly coveted since it’s Chicago. People would line up for it. I disagree. Ken Williams isn’t going anywhere. If he’s employed at the top, you aren’t getting any good candidates regardless. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted April 20, 2023 Author Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: He’s earned it for overseeing the 28th ranked farm system in baseball! This org is such a joke. Nothing changes until Jerry sells or dies unfortunately. Are you really blaming him for all those years of awful Hostetler/Haber drafts? He's bad at his job because he couldn't turn years of chicken s%*# $10,000 money savers so they could overpay bad college corners into chicken salad? That's certainly a take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 9 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Minnie Minoso and Moose Skowron too? They’re… dead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I disagree. Ken Williams isn’t going anywhere. If he’s employed at the top, you aren’t getting any good candidates regardless. He said he’s leaving the team after his current contract is over. I’m taking him at his word. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Are you really blaming him for all those years of awful Hostetler/Haber drafts? He's bad at his job because he couldn't turn years of chicken s%*# $10,000 money savers so they could overpay bad college corners into chicken salad? That's certainly a take. I agree with this. Those Hostetler drafts really set the team back, I can’t say that enough. 2015: Carson Fulmer 2016: Zack Collins/Zack Burdi 2017: Jake Burger 2018: Nick Madrigal 2019: Andrew Vaughn Vaughn is the only regular player of that group but I still had reservations about that pick. I’d like to see more power but he’s panning out so far considering his mismanagement. The rebuild failed with that run of horrible draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 11 hours ago, maxjusttyped said: Kenny's best team got hot in October and Rick's didn't. I'll always cherish that 2005 season just like everyone else on here, but he was no better as an exec than Rick. I disagree with this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 11 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: I agree with this. Those Hostetler drafts really set the team back, I can’t say that enough. 2015: Carson Fulmer 2016: Zack Collins/Zack Burdi 2017: Jake Burger 2018: Nick Madrigal 2019: Andrew Vaughn Vaughn is the only regular player of that group but I still had reservations about that pick. I’d like to see more power but he’s panning out so far considering his mismanagement. The rebuild failed with that run of horrible draft picks. They scouted Fulmer constantly and totally missed on his Vandy teammate Buehler... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 9 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: I agree with this. Those Hostetler drafts really set the team back, I can’t say that enough. 2015: Carson Fulmer 2016: Zack Collins/Zack Burdi 2017: Jake Burger 2018: Nick Madrigal 2019: Andrew Vaughn Vaughn is the only regular player of that group but I still had reservations about that pick. I’d like to see more power but he’s panning out so far considering his mismanagement. The rebuild failed with that run of horrible draft picks. The drafting in its entirety has been pretty bad, however, I feel like if you were to say "You will make 6 first round picks over the next 5 years and 3 of those will be producing in the MLB" everyone would take that in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 white sox tainted people who i'd rank for taking over baseball operations: 1. Jim Thome 2. Shirley 3. Getz 4. KW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted April 20, 2023 Author Share Posted April 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Joshua Strong said: I agree with this. Those Hostetler drafts really set the team back, I can’t say that enough. 2015: Carson Fulmer 2016: Zack Collins/Zack Burdi 2017: Jake Burger 2018: Nick Madrigal 2019: Andrew Vaughn Vaughn is the only regular player of that group but I still had reservations about that pick. I’d like to see more power but he’s panning out so far considering his mismanagement. The rebuild failed with that run of horrible draft picks. The top of the draft was horrible but what is also killing them now was the reluctance to draft HS players in the later rounds. Those players would be in the high minors right now providing depth but instead they had to take a bunch of college seniors who can't play dead because they had to overpay those awful top selections. That was the draft strategy of the three ring circus of Hahn/Haber/Hostetler and trying to blame the current awful system on Getz is beyond ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bmags said: white sox tainted people who i'd rank for taking over baseball operations: 1. Jim Thome 2. Shirley 3. Getz 4. KW Shirley hasn't had quite enough time but at least he's a legit outsider and thus much more likely to be honest/objective. Edited April 20, 2023 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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