hi8is Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 3:37 AM, caulfield12 said: A lot like Madrigal too ... Expand How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 4:31 AM, hi8is said: How so? Expand Hurt…2B. Slight difference in power…but legendary collegiate hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 In the Sherley interview he said that he “doesn’t see much separation” in the top 10 and “finding someone who could save a million dollars” to use in other rounds over slot is “certainly a consideration” they are weighing “greatly.” Also touched on not putting into much more stock into college numbers with the juiced balls and metal bats. Said the two pitchers are easier to project and have things translate without much difficulty. He really spread a lot out there to push shade on any potential cards being shown. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 (edited) On Cags he mentioned him possibly being a two way guy. “Investigating” was the word he used most. Emphasis was placed on Cags himself having done so his whole life at a high level and him believing in himself being able to do so. Said if he can save a bullpen arm some rest once or twice a week that there is a lot of value in that. Edited July 10, 2024 by hi8is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 5:42 AM, hi8is said: On Cags he mentioned him possibly being a two way guy. “Investigating” was the word he used most. Emphasis was placed on Cags himself having done so his whole life at a high level and him believing in himself being able to do so. Said if he can save a bullpen arm some rest once or twice a week that there is a lot of value in that. Expand Start with the Colas reconversion to LHR / pinch hitter / defensive replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 3:37 AM, caulfield12 said: A lot like Madrigal too ... Expand Come on. He’s nothing like Nick Madrigal 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 11:11 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Come on. He’s nothing like Nick Madrigal Expand Last year when we drafted Gonzalez people immediately started calling him madrigal lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 5:34 AM, hi8is said: In the Sherley interview he said that he “doesn’t see much separation” in the top 10 and “finding someone who could save a million dollars” to use in other rounds over slot is “certainly a consideration” they are weighing “greatly.” Also touched on not putting into much more stock into college numbers with the juiced balls and metal bats. Said the two pitchers are easier to project and have things translate without much difficulty. He really spread a lot out there to push shade on any potential cards being shown. ? Expand Exactly. A whole lot of words to say nothing at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 12:20 PM, bmags said: Last year when we drafted Gonzalez people immediately started calling him madrigal lol Expand Based on his first year as a pro, were they wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 2:54 PM, GreenSox said: Based on his first year as a pro, were they wrong? Expand Maybe rushing to judgement for a SSS of stats from draft year MiLB numbers when the kid played more than he ever has before was the actual problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 2:54 PM, GreenSox said: Based on his first year as a pro, were they wrong? Expand If you ignore every single aspect about their profiles except "up the middle infielder" and "Harold does not like them," sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 2:58 PM, Quin said: If you ignore every single aspect about their profiles except "up the middle infielder" and "Harold does not like them," sure. Expand I said, based on the way he has played as a pro. Is lack of power an aspect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Quin Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 3:04 PM, GreenSox said: I said, based on the way he has played as a pro. Is lack of power an aspect? Expand He's had some big blasts this year, but I guess if we're going off small sample sizes we can say that Gavin Sheets had a similar profile for a while since he had very limited in game power early in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 So who would you pick out of these 3, for the 5th pick Caglianone Wetherholt Griffin and who do you think the Sox are gonna pick? All 3 have asterisks Caglianone: 1B only player, but said he wants to continue being 2way Griffin: High Schooler with a questionable swing tool (Do you think the Sox can fix someone's swing?) Wetherholt: Blown hammy twice in the last 11 months. I really don't know who I would pick tbh, Wetherholt is the closest to the majors assuming healthy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 4:03 PM, joejoesox said: So who would you pick out of these 3, for the 5th pick Caglianone Wetherholt Griffin and who do you think the Sox are gonna pick? All 3 have asterisks Caglianone: 1B only player, but said he wants to continue being 2way Griffin: High Schooler with a questionable swing tool (Do you think the Sox can fix someone's swing?) Wetherholt: Blown hammy twice in the last 11 months. I really don't know who I would pick tbh, Wetherholt is the closest to the majors assuming healthy Expand Out of the three Griffin Cags Wether Not really a fan of drafting a full 1B at slot, but the Wether injuries scare me more. Honestly if it were up to me, I would be all over Hagen Smith. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 10, 2024 Author Share Posted July 10, 2024 Wetherholt, Griffin, Cags, in that order. If there was a consensus that Caglianone could provide some sort of defensive value in a corner OF spot, the calculus changes for me. But if he's 1B only I think I'd even prefer Braden Montgomery to him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 (edited) I think I would probably just go Griffin over those 2 guys. If someone falls asleep and Condon falls to 5, you would obviously grab him over anyone else right ? Edited July 10, 2024 by joejoesox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 4:11 PM, DirtySox said: Wetherholt, Griffin, Cags, in that order. If there was a consensus that Caglianone could provide some sort of defensive value in a corner OF spot, the calculus changes for me. But if he's 1B only I think I'd even prefer Braden Montgomery to him. Expand This is where I am at. Wish Hagen Smith was an option... yawn. Skipping on Smith seems very much like drafting for 'need' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 10, 2024 Author Share Posted July 10, 2024 Kiley has a bull/bear case for the draft prospects in his rankings from yesterday. He does mention the bull case for Jac including "real defensive value at either RF or 1B." I would feel a lot better about the selection if that was a consensus. Quote The bull case on Cags is that he'll post something like an average OBP, with 30-50 homers and real defensive value either in right field or at first base Expand Quote If it doesn't work out, what happened? His chase rate derails his career, sending him into a tools/stats disconnect journeyman career. Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 4:36 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: This is where I am at. Wish Hagen Smith was an option... yawn. Skipping on Smith seems very much like drafting for 'need' Expand Believe me, I really get how much we need position players right now. But the ones at the top look to all have decent flaws, some of which we can't deal with at all as an organization. What are we actually good at? Developing pitching. Seems like maybe the prudent move to me, but it is what it is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 4:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: Believe me, I really get how much we need position players right now. But the ones at the top look to all have decent flaws, some of which we can't deal with at all as an organization. What are we actually good at? Developing pitching. Seems like maybe the prudent move to me, but it is what it is. Expand 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 4:03 PM, joejoesox said: So who would you pick out of these 3, for the 5th pick Caglianone Wetherholt Griffin and who do you think the Sox are gonna pick? All 3 have asterisks Caglianone: 1B only player, but said he wants to continue being 2way Griffin: High Schooler with a questionable swing tool (Do you think the Sox can fix someone's swing?) Wetherholt: Blown hammy twice in the last 11 months. I really don't know who I would pick tbh, Wetherholt is the closest to the majors assuming healthy Expand Depends on how much each guy costs for me. It’s huge part of this process. On 7/10/2024 at 4:43 PM, southsider2k5 said: Believe me, I really get how much we need position players right now. But the ones at the top look to all have decent flaws, some of which we can't deal with at all as an organization. What are we actually good at? Developing pitching. Seems like maybe the prudent move to me, but it is what it is. Expand The pitchers are flawed too though and I have confidence in them finding pitching in rounds 2-5 where I don’t with bats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 5:51 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Depends on how much each guy costs for me. It’s huge part of this process. The pitchers are flawed too though and I have confidence in them finding pitching in rounds 2-5 where I don’t with bats. Expand That is definitely fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted July 10, 2024 Share Posted July 10, 2024 On 7/10/2024 at 5:51 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Depends on how much each guy costs for me. It’s huge part of this process. The pitchers are flawed too though and I have confidence in them finding pitching in rounds 2-5 where I don’t with bats. Expand Is the cost a big deal due to the penalties associated with going over your allotment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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