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Really depressing and aggravating to go down memory lane and see how many losers we actually had. Then again, look at are overall record since 2006 where we are significantly under 500 with only three playoff appearances and zero playoff wins in those 17 years.

Show me another FO combo in any sport, that was able to have this total dysfunction and number of losing seasons with no playoff wins...along with a complete botchery of draft picks, developing players, free agents signings and trades....and that combo FO over a 17 year period, was allowed to keep their job by the owner.

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  On 5/5/2023 at 9:01 PM, Polar Bear said:

That means nothing as Hahn did not have any say so for a number of years and even today has no real power as everything is determined by JR and KW

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What is a Hahn player, even?

Everyone has their definition for KW Paddy and TLR…but Hahn’s signings typically have the most vague, nebulous identity.

Certainly have been almost completely forgettable performance-wise.

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  On 5/5/2023 at 9:01 PM, Polar Bear said:

That means nothing as Hahn did not have any say so for a number of years and even today has no real power as everything is determined by JR and KW

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Dunn was a Hahn too.  Hahn got the job title in 2010.  Dunn hit .150 which is deplorable.  Any big name hitter we signed has been a bust.  It's all 3 of them one guy doesn't make the decisions.  Reinsodorff don't want to pay I get that go a degree because many players are overpaid and don't try once they get paid.  There's no incentive to train or practice for the contract.   But at the same time we actually spend the money on a bunch of hot garbage instead of an impact player because we can't develop talent.  It's a big problem 

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  On 5/5/2023 at 9:01 PM, Polar Bear said:

That means nothing as Hahn did not have any say so for a number of years and even today has no real power as everything is determined by JR and KW

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There's no evidence of that. There was a bit of fan delusion under the Hahn honeymoon period where every good move was Hahn and every bad move was KW. In retrospect, it was probably all Hahn since he can't seem to make a good move at all.

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  On 5/5/2023 at 5:31 PM, chitownsportsfan said:

Tyler Flowers has 20 career fWAR. As they often do, the Sox gave up on him too early after basically turning him into a solid player. A once in a lifetime Sox development and they let him go just in time for him to turn in a few near All Star level years.

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He also was terrible defensively when he was with the Sox as in passed balls, percentage of runners caught stealing, framing etc. 

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  On 5/5/2023 at 9:38 PM, YonderLaroche said:

Dunn was a Hahn too.  Hahn got the job title in 2010.  Dunn hit .150 which is deplorable.  Any big name hitter we signed has been a bust.  It's all 3 of them one guy doesn't make the decisions.  Reinsodorff don't want to pay I get that go a degree because many players are overpaid and don't try once they get paid.  There's no incentive to train or practice for the contract.   But at the same time we actually spend the money on a bunch of hot garbage instead of an impact player because we can't develop talent.  It's a big problem 

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99.9999%. Its been stated numerous times over the last decade that Hahn only recently got more say so but even now has to have unanimous approval from KW and JR.  Meaning he has virtually no GM powers that the other 29 GMs have 

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  On 5/5/2023 at 9:34 PM, caulfield12 said:

Melky was a massive disappointment and clown most of his time with the Sox…KW had his equivalent in Rios.  Both talented players that underachieved compared to their AL East peaks.

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Alex Rios was anything but a clown. You may not have liked him or how he was acquired, but he put up 3 and 4 war seasons.  

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  On 5/5/2023 at 11:30 PM, Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm said:

Alex Rios was anything but a clown. You may not have liked him or how he was acquired, but he put up 3 and 4 war seasons.  

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Rios was always a me first player... maybe not clownish but he was pushed out in Toronto and it wasn't by accident. Ozzie even struggled to get the most out of him. 

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  On 5/6/2023 at 1:37 AM, caulfield12 said:

Rios was always a me first player... maybe not clownish but he was pushed out in Toronto and it wasn't by accident. Ozzie even struggled to get the most out of him. 

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Rios was OK but nothing special.   He wasn't a top 3 superstar you build around.  Sadly better than anything we've had out there in 8 years.  It was actually a decent move because we didn't lose any prospects nor did we overpay long term.  And we got Leury for him!  A guy we are paying 8 million dollars to sit at home for 2 years 

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  On 5/6/2023 at 1:40 AM, YonderLaroche said:

Rios was OK but nothing special.   He wasn't a top 3 superstar you build around.  Sadly better than anything we've had out there in 8 years 

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He did everything so easily and was so naturally gifted everyone perceived him as loafing... so a  bit similar to Moncada there.  Certainly didn't seem to play with a sense of joy and exuberance.  Pretty moody. 

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