Lip Man 1 Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 From the Sun-Times story today (Saturday): "Jake Burger has never played in the Sox outfield, but Grifol said that’s something the team has talked about a “little bit.” One concern Grifol acknowledged is Burger’s injury history, including a ruptured achilles tendon he suffered in 2018." Nothing surprises me anymore. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EloyJenkins Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 At this point you need his bat. Honestly trading Eloy should be on the table as well... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 That would be the dumbest thing possible 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) It's important to keep Hanser Alonso in the lineup at 2nd, so I can see Burger in the OF. ....on second thought, it's nuts! Edited May 21, 2023 by GreenSox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I wish he was practicing at 2B for this past year in AAA/Spring Training to see if he could be at least serviceable there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said: I wish he was practicing at 2B for this past year in AAA/Spring Training to see if he could be at least serviceable there They already gave up on this idea after trying it in the minors... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 There should always be a spot for him at 3rd or DH. Lets face it Moncada and Jimenez can not stay in the lineup for very long without getting injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldwatersox Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 After Eloy returns it is a certainty that Burger will be inserted into the regular lineup at 2nd base. A player who has experience at third base can adjust quickly to adequately playing second base. Assuming Eloy resumes hitting, Sheets continues to furnish a power left hand bat, and Burger maintains his run producing output, the experiment with Jake at second base is necessary and unavoidable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, coldwatersox said: After Eloy returns it is a certainty that Burger will be inserted into the regular lineup at 2nd base. A player who has experience at third base can adjust quickly to adequately playing second base. Assuming Eloy resumes hitting, Sheets continues to furnish a power left hand bat, and Burger maintains his run producing output, the experiment with Jake at second base is necessary and unavoidable. 90-95% of the time the switch occurs from middle infield to corners. He doesn't have the range or lateral quickness and can't even imagine him on double play turns coming across bag and throwing back across his body. Bad bad bad idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 11 minutes ago, coldwatersox said: After Eloy returns it is a certainty that Burger will be inserted into the regular lineup at 2nd base. A player who has experience at third base can adjust quickly to adequately playing second base. Assuming Eloy resumes hitting, Sheets continues to furnish a power left hand bat, and Burger maintains his run producing output, the experiment with Jake at second base is necessary and unavoidable. Name does not check out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sambuca Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Unfortunately, DH is the only serious option to get Burger into the lineup on the reg. Hopefully Eloy’s kidney doesn’t fall out of his body in RF. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Burger should play 1b daily. For some reason this stupid team doesn't believe in him. It can 5 years to develop a quality player and they had him in aaa to start the season. He's on pace for 50 home runs batting above .250. Not so common today 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 26 minutes ago, YonderLaroche said: Burger should play 1b daily. For some reason this stupid team doesn't believe in him. It can 5 years to develop a quality player and they had him in aaa to start the season. He's on pace for 50 home runs batting above .250. Not so common today Max Muncy Jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Vaughn cannot cover the outside part of the plate after his big leg kick. Even though Burger is not fast, he is faster than Vaughn on the bases, and that makes a difference. Burger can cover the entire plate and hits more HR than AV. IMO, Jake beat the pants off Vaughn for the full-time 1B job. Vaughn was touted as being a great outfielder last season, especially by Steve Stone. Now he can platoon in RF with Sheets. It would be foolish to risk injury to Burger by putting him in the outfield when Vaughn has already shown he can play out there and avoid injury. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 He is much more athletic then Vaughn and Sheets. Had we all not have to continually be put through 1B in the OF he makes some sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Burger should DH. Eloy should play LF. move Benintendi to RF. Yes he hasn’t played there, but at least he’s an outfielder by trade. And he’s better than Sheets. I don’t want Burger getting injured, period. With Eloy, it’s an inevitability. So play Eloy out in the field, where he claims he’s most comfortable. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, Greg Hibbard said: Burger should DH. Eloy should play LF. move Benintendi to RF. Yes he hasn’t played there, but at least he’s an outfielder by trade. And he’s better than Sheets. I don’t want Burger getting injured, period. With Eloy, it’s an inevitability. So play Eloy out in the field, where he claims he’s most comfortable. Benintendi has a slightly better arm than Pods and Pierre. We tried this last year with Pollock and learned he's actually better in CF than right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 I am in the “trade someone to make people able to fit positions they are capable of playing” camp. Quit this shuffling around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 Eloy Jimenez returns and plays RF. Burger is the DH. Sheets can sub in RF and LF, at IB and DH. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 They just need to put all of the 1B/DH types at 1B at the same time. Vaughn, Grandal, Burger, Sheets (don't want to include Eloy for obvious reasons). Four First Basemen. It would be an impenetrable fortress. Much room for all with the bigger bases! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Greg Hibbard said: Burger should DH. Eloy should play LF. move Benintendi to RF. Yes he hasn’t played there, but at least he’s an outfielder by trade. And he’s better than Sheets. I don’t want Burger getting injured, period. With Eloy, it’s an inevitability. So play Eloy out in the field, where he claims he’s most comfortable. This makes sense. And if Eloy gets hurt colliding with the left field fence, so what. If not that, he'll; probably just run over by a bus anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 7 hours ago, elrockinMT said: Eloy Jimenez returns and plays RF. Burger is the DH. Sheets can sub in RF and LF, at IB and DH. This is most logical. Eloy needs to play only one OF position to avoid adding injury risk and to minimize the communication bullshit with Robert (Robert is responsible at times by being a Dick / cutting off balls in straight away RF). The problem with Sheets in LF is Sheets/Benintendi are both LHB. Sheets should never start vs. LHP. Ever. RF LH Power was the logical place for FA dollars, of course Hahn went LF Podsednik power, though without the speed (46 SB every 162 Games) and at this stage 25 points below Podsednik’s career OPS (.719). Hahn truly out Hahned himself with this move, only the Kimbrel fiasco (trade, QO, Pollock) reached this level since extending than firing Ricky Renteria within 63 games after the Sox to date best season record and playoff performance (1-0 lead, spoiled by worthless Keuchel, than Hahn bullpen plan game with no SP beyond Cease they would not use). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: This is most logical. Eloy needs to play only one OF position to avoid adding injury risk and to minimize the communication bullshit with Robert (Robert is responsible at times by being a Dick / cutting off balls in straight away RF). The problem with Sheets in LF is Sheets/Benintendi are both LHB. Sheets should never start vs. LHP. Ever. RF LH Power was the logical place for FA dollars, of course Hahn went LF Podsednik power, though without the speed (46 SB every 162 Games) and at this stage 25 points below Podsednik’s career OPS (.719). Hahn truly out Hahned himself with this move, only the Kimbrel fiasco (trade, QO, Pollock) reached this level since extending than firing Ricky Renteria within 63 games after the Sox to date best season record and playoff performance (1-0 lead, spoiled by worthless Keuchel, than Hahn bullpen plan game with no SP beyond Cease they would not use). Who would have imagined Chris Bassitt one day would have a $21 million per season price tag? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 10 hours ago, JoeC said: I am in the “trade someone to make people able to fit positions they are capable of playing” camp. Quit this shuffling around. This is exactly what should happen. Players play better when they go out everyday to the same position. This is what the great teams in baseball do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kids Can Play Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, tray said: Vaughn cannot cover the outside part of the plate after his big leg kick. Even though Burger is not fast, he is faster than Vaughn on the bases, and that makes a difference. Burger can cover the entire plate and hits more HR than AV. IMO, Jake beat the pants off Vaughn for the full-time 1B job. Vaughn was touted as being a great outfielder last season, especially by Steve Stone. Now he can platoon in RF with Sheets. It would be foolish to risk injury to Burger by putting him in the outfield when Vaughn has already shown he can play out there and avoid injury. Seriously this makes a lot of sense. Jake Burger to first base and Andrew Vaughn to the outfield. - Burger is 6'2" vs. Vaughn 6'0", so Jake is technically the more natural and taller size for first base. - Since Jake is a third baseman, he is much stronger and more comfortable at grounders than Andrew. Imo I think Jake could play first much better defensively than Andrew. - Vaughn played the outfield last year. Yes he wasn't great, but he wasn't bad either and did a pretty decent job. At least Andrew didn't get injured playing the outfield. We need both bats in the lineup. - Playing Burger at first obviously gives a greater chance for Burger to stay healthy, as opposed to going to the outfield. Likewise then you keep Eloy at DH and he has a better chance of staying healthy as well. - One big benefit of Burger at first is, you might just find out he is better than Vaughn for playing first base going forward. If that is the case, then you can consider trading Vaughn at the deadline and get some decent prospects back. If Vaughn is still hitting good around the TDL, then his value should go up because he shows his versatility as a first baseman and outfielder along with being a run producer. Again this whole debate has us arguing about who to move around out of their natural position. Once again, this is a direct result from loser Rick Hahn. He drafted Sheets with the 49th overall pick in 2017 and Vaughn in 2019 with the #3 overall pick. This was flat out dumb when we still had a Jose Abreu. Edited May 21, 2023 by The Kids Can Play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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