Burger to the outfield???

[CeaseAndExist]

Burger is too fat to play OF

[South Side Hit Men]

5 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said:

Burger is too fat to play OF

Babe Ruth 6-2 215 pounds 182.6 bWAR.

 

Edited May 21, 2023 by South Side Hit Men

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

1 hour ago, The Kids Can Play said:

This is exactly what should happen. Players play better when they go out everyday to the same position. This is what the great teams in baseball do.

Tell the Dodgers that.

[FloydBannister1983]

17 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

From the Sun-Times story today (Saturday):

"Jake Burger has never played in the Sox outfield, but Grifol said that’s something the team has talked about a “little bit.” One concern Grifol acknowledged is Burger’s injury history, including a ruptured achilles tendon he suffered in 2018."

Nothing surprises me anymore. 

 

What’s wrong with just making Moncada play second base?

[greg775]

The Sox problem of "everybody's a DH" continues. I don't think Burger is an outfielder. Geez. Wake up Sox.

Edited May 21, 2023 by greg775

[greg775]

18 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

90-95% of the time the switch occurs from middle infield to corners. 

He doesn't have the range or lateral quickness and can't even imagine him on double play turns coming across bag and throwing back across his body. 

Bad bad bad idea. 

Very bad idea. Agreed. Sadly will have to platoon Burger in the DH/1B rotation cause our 3B is above average fielder and hitter in Moncada. Eloy is untradeable right now cause he's a walking injury so Eloy stays in outfield. Burger the 1B/DH thing.

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, greg775 said:

The Sox problem of "everybody's a DH" continues. I don't think Burger is an outfielder. Geez. Wake up Sox.

Just win baby! 

[Bob Sacamano]

6 minutes ago, greg775 said:

The Sox problem of "everybody's a DH" continues. I don't think Burger is an outfielder. Geez. Wake up Sox.

They could try him at catcher.

[caulfield12]

1 minute ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Bummer on fire today!

Down to 8.40!

[greg775]

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

They could try him at catcher.

I'd agree but he'd prolly tear hammies a lot bending and moving up and down that much.

[SonofaRoache]

17 hours ago, Harry Chappas said:

He is much more athletic then Vaughn and Sheets.  Had we all not have to continually be put through 1B in the OF he makes some sense.

Vaughn has sucked for most of this season. His job should not be safe with the hole we are in currently. If only Eloy could play 1st base like the washed up corner outfielders and third basemen. 

[oldsox]

I thought for sure that Vaughn would have a solid season.  Sort of .280ish BA, OPS around .850 or so.  Still attainable.  One thing I have noticed is that he seems to get a lot of really shitty calls from Home Plate umpires.  He'll get better.

[Melton1972]

Vaughn leads the team in RBIs.

[BigHurt3515]

35 minutes ago, Melton1972 said:

Vaughn leads the team in RBIs.

Shhh, nobody cares around here. He sucks!

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, BigHurt3515 said:

Shhh, nobody cares around here. He sucks!

Greg cares about those traditional counting stars at least. 

Edited May 22, 2023 by caulfield12

[The Kids Can Play]

22 hours ago, greg775 said:

The Sox problem of "everybody's a DH" continues. I don't think Burger is an outfielder. Geez. Wake up Sox.

Rick Hahn added to the problem "everybody's a DH" when he missed that wake up call back in 2017 and picked Gavin Sheets with the 49th overall pick and then doubled down again in 2019 with the 3rd overall pick to select Andrew Vaughn...when we already had 1B/DH covered with Jose Abreu.  

[SonofaRoache]

5 hours ago, Melton1972 said:

Vaughn leads the team in RBIs.

The guys ahead of him help that a ton. Robert for instance, typically has no one to drive in. 

[South Side Hit Men]

On 5/21/2023 at 10:53 AM, South Side Hit Men said:

Babe Ruth 6-2 215 pounds 182.6 bWAR.

 

Cuda-ish update:

Career fWAR - Current position player active rosters career numbers vs. Babe Ruth (current rosters with negative fWAR not included).

Top 3 career fWAR players listed for each team.

1. 254.8 Los Angeles Dodgers (Freeman 52.4; Betts 52.1; Heyward 33.9)
2. 193.6 New York Mets (Lindor 43.6; Marte 34.5; Nimmo 19.5)
3. 187.7 San Diego Padres (Cruz 40.8; Bogaerts 36.2; Carpenter 33.2)
4. 179.0 Toronto (Springer 32.8; Chapman 25.9; Belt 25.3)
5. 167.0 Babe Ruth (12.4 Pitching not included)
6. 162.5 Saint Louis (Goldschmidt 55.8; Arenado 46.7; 16.3 Contreras 16.3)
7. 161.1 Houston (Altuve 48.6; Bregman 31.4; Abreu 26.6)
8. 160.7 Philadelphia (Harper 44.6; Turner 32.4; Realmuto 30.6)
9. 150.3 Atlanta (Ozuna 21.8; Acuna Jr. 21.0; Olson 19.5)
10. 136.8 New York Yankees (Judge 38.2; Rizzo 36.7; DJ LaMahieu 26.4)
11. 126.5 Los Angeles Angels (Trout 83.9; Ohtani 14.5; Renfroe 10.3) - Ohtani's 10.6 Pitching fWAR not included
12. 121.7 Detroit (Cabrera 67.9; Baez 24.1; Schoop 17.9)
13. 115.3 Arizona (Longoria 54.6; Marte 17.3; Ahmed 12.4)
14. 108.5 Pittsburgh (McCutchen 51.6; Santana 23.6; Reynolds 13.4)
15. 107.1 Minnesota (Correa 31.6; Buxton 19.2; Gallo 15.8)
16. 99.3 Chicago White Sox (Grandal 37.8; Anderson 18.8; Moncada 14.3)
17. 98.0 Cleveland (Ramirez 42.7; Zunino 18.6; 8.5)
18. 97.9 San Francisco (Crawford 30.3; Conforto 19.7; Haniger 11.6)
19. 96.2 Texas (Semien 28.3; Seager 27.1; Garcia 8.2)
20. 92.7 Colorado (Bryant 32.5; Blackmon 19.4; Moustakas 15.4)
21. 87.2 Milwaukee (Yelich 38.2; Adames 14.5; Anderson 9.6)
22. 84.5 Boston (Turner 35.3; Devers 19.1; Hernandez 11.8)
23. 80.8 Chicago Cubs (Swanson 18.1; Gomes 17.4; Happ 12.1)
24. 77.1 Miami (Segura 24.5; Wendle 10.1; Gurriel 10.0)
25. 66.5 Seattle (Suarez 22.0; Pollock 20.7; Wong 18.6)
26. 63.0 Tampa Bay (Lowe 11.9; Diaz 10.2; Margot 9.5)
27. 53.9 Baltimore (Frazier 12.1; Mullins II 11.7; Rutschman 6.7)
28. 51.9 Kansas City (Perez 16.6; Bradley Jr. 14.6; Duffy 8.1)
29. 34.7 Oakland (Laureano 9.9; Diaz 7.0; Kemp 5.5)
30. 34.5 Cincinnati (Myers 14.5; Casali 4.7; India 4.5)
31. 31.2 Washington (Dickerson 12.7; Candelario 9.7; Thomas 2.4)

[caulfield12]

39 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

Cuda-ish update:

Career fWAR - Current position player active rosters career numbers vs. Babe Ruth (current rosters with negative fWAR not included).

Top 3 career fWAR players listed for each team.

1. 254.8 Los Angeles Dodgers (Freeman 52.4; Betts 52.1; Heyward 33.9)
2. 193.6 New York Mets (Lindor 43.6; Marte 34.5; Nimmo 19.5)
3. 187.7 San Diego Padres (Cruz 40.8; Bogaerts 36.2; Carpenter 33.2)
4. 179.0 Toronto (Springer 32.8; Chapman 25.9; Belt 25.3)
5. 167.0 Babe Ruth (12.4 Pitching not included)
6. 162.5 Saint Louis (Goldschmidt 55.8; Arenado 46.7; 16.3 Contreras 16.3)
7. 161.1 Houston (Altuve 48.6; Bregman 31.4; Abreu 26.6)
8. 160.7 Philadelphia (Harper 44.6; Turner 32.4; Realmuto 30.6)
9. 150.3 Atlanta (Ozuna 21.8; Acuna Jr. 21.0; Olson 19.5)
10. 136.8 New York Yankees (Judge 38.2; Rizzo 36.7; DJ LaMahieu 26.4)
11. 126.5 Los Angeles Angels (Trout 83.9; Ohtani 14.5; Renfroe 10.3) - Ohtani's 10.6 Pitching fWAR not included
12. 121.7 Detroit (Cabrera 67.9; Baez 24.1; Schoop 17.9)
13. 115.3 Arizona (Longoria 54.6; Marte 17.3; Ahmed 12.4)
14. 108.5 Pittsburgh (McCutchen 51.6; Santana 23.6; Reynolds 13.4)
15. 107.1 Minnesota (Correa 31.6; Buxton 19.2; Gallo 15.8)
16. 99.3 Chicago White Sox (Grandal 37.8; Anderson 18.8; Moncada 14.3)
17. 98.0 Cleveland (Ramirez 42.7; Zunino 18.6; 8.5)
18. 97.9 San Francisco (Crawford 30.3; Conforto 19.7; Haniger 11.6)
19. 96.2 Texas (Semien 28.3; Seager 27.1; Garcia 8.2)
20. 92.7 Colorado (Bryant 32.5; Blackmon 19.4; Moustakas 15.4)
21. 87.2 Milwaukee (Yelich 38.2; Adames 14.5; Anderson 9.6)
22. 84.5 Boston (Turner 35.3; Devers 19.1; Hernandez 11.8)
23. 80.8 Chicago Cubs (Swanson 18.1; Gomes 17.4; Happ 12.1)
24. 77.1 Miami (Segura 24.5; Wendle 10.1; Gurriel 10.0)
25. 66.5 Seattle (Suarez 22.0; Pollock 20.7; Wong 18.6)
26. 63.0 Tampa Bay (Lowe 11.9; Diaz 10.2; Margot 9.5)
27. 53.9 Baltimore (Frazier 12.1; Mullins II 11.7; Rutschman 6.7)
28. 51.9 Kansas City (Perez 16.6; Bradley Jr. 14.6; Duffy 8.1)
29. 34.7 Oakland (Laureano 9.9; Diaz 7.0; Kemp 5.5)
30. 34.5 Cincinnati (Myers 14.5; Casali 4.7; India 4.5)
31. 31.2 Washington (Dickerson 12.7; Candelario 9.7; Thomas 2.4)

Is there any way to do that with the players originally signed/drafted by the Sox?

Essentially, Escobar, Bassitt, Semien, Tatis, Jr., Anderson, Devenski, Sale, Abreu, etc.

Q would have to be counted with the Mets or Yankees there.

 

[The Mighty Mite]

With AV struggling maybe he and Sheets should be platooned at DH. 
That frees up Burger to play first base which he should have no trouble handling. When Eloy comes back we are going to have to live with him in right field until Colas is truly ready, when that day comes I would try to trade Eloy, he can’t be counted on because of his history of injuries though I don’t blame him at all for the appendectomy he underwent.

Edited May 23, 2023 by The Mighty Mite

[tray]

Eloy is an elite bat while Vaughn is an average bat with average power.

Burger is starting to make a case for more at bats and those ABs should mainly come at 1B.

There may be teams with a solid second base player or prospect that might be interested in trading for Vaughn.

Include Steve Stone in a trade with AV to the Cubs.

(just kidding... but Stone is Vaughn's biggest fan. He told us AV was a good outfielder lst year and fawns at the speed of grounders that AV hits for outs and HIDP. Vaughn is something of a tank physically, like Burger only slower afoot I don't dislike him in the line-up, he is just redundant on the roster...surplusage)

Edited May 23, 2023 by tray

[The Kids Can Play]

1 hour ago, tray said:

Eloy is an elite bat while Vaughn is an average bat with average power.

Burger is starting to make a case for more at bats and those ABs should mainly come at 1B.

There may be teams with a solid second base player or prospect that might be interested in trading for Vaughn.

Include Steve Stone in a trade with AV to the Cubs.

I think trading Vaughn makes the best sense. I think he would still bring value. There are good teams out there who have the right people in place to get a player like Vaughn straightened out.

Since were not moving Moncada to 2B, and we can't afford to sit or platoon Burger, it makes total sense to play Burger at 1st and keep Eloy at DH, to assure he doesn't get injured as easily, by never letting him play in the OF.

[tray]

44 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

I think trading Vaughn makes the best sense. I think he would still bring value. There are good teams out there who have the right people in place to get a player like Vaughn straightened out.

 

I like Home town players for the WSox like KC 2nd basemen Massey from Palos Park.

Maybe Massey plus a strong pitching prospect for AV.

[chitownsportsfan]

Andrew Vaughn completed a nice White Sox milestone yesterday, as with that latest effort he's now at a nice round -1 fWAR for his career. Even more impressive, FG has him -45.1 runs below average as a defender in a little over 300 career games.

[The Kids Can Play]

2 hours ago, tray said:

I like Home town players for the WSox like KC 2nd basemen Massey from Palos Park.

Maybe Massey plus a strong pitching prospect for AV.

I love the home grown players too, but only if they are good. Massey is a 2nd baseman with bad numbers on a bad team. 

Michael Massey 

AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS	WAR

208

. 259

.300

.559

-0.5

The Sox not only do not want or need Massey, but they don't need any of the Royals' prospects in any trade. The Royals farm system is actually ranked worse than our pathetic Sox farm system at 29th. The Royals only have one prospect in the MLB top 100 and that is an OF at #62.

If Vaughn is going to be traded, then the Sox need to go to a WS contender looking for those extra few players at the deadline, that have an abundance of good prospects they can afford to give up. You definitely don't go to the Royals that are a worse organization than the Sox!

Plus the Royals will be sellers at the deadline just like we should be. The Sox are looking for buyers at the trade deadline.

Edited May 23, 2023 by The Kids Can Play