Cerbaho-WG Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...ome%2Dheadlines Later, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 http://www.soxnet.net/snreport/388-1.6.html I'm not going to say that quite yet, but it really seems like he doesn't want to be here. Well, the Sox are only going to be investing 600k in him, so it looks like they'll have plenty of money to spend on Colon or Vazquez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 KW was a cheap ass to MB last year but it is odd to me that MB would turn down this deal. He has seen injuries. If he has one, he loses all. That is a lot of money to gamble on being injury free. Although if I were the Sox, I'd add a million or 2 on to offer, since MB is worth the gamble to us that he stays injury free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 "We'll just go year-by-year with him now," Williams said. "Obviously, we were motivated to reward him for his success, but he and his agent feel they have a better chance to maximize his earnings [through arbitration]. I have no complaints." Way to go, Kenny. While it's true Buehrle will take the risk of injury, I'm certain his agent has him insured. But for a lousy few thousand dollars to try to teach Mark and his Lawyer a lesson last year, now it's Williams who will learn what 'hardball' is all about. I hope Mark takes all the money he can get here and then runs. Williams is an idiot. We can't win with Kenny Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 I hope Mark takes all the money he can get here and then runs. I sure as hell don't hope that. I hope MB tales all the money he can and stays with us taking all the money that is due him. I have no desire to see us lose MB just so we can taunt KW. I hope KW will increase the offer, a change of position as he did last July with the Frank Thomas trade to Boston, OR that a new GM will kiss and make up with MB and MB stays forever. I sure as hell do not want MB to take the money and run just so we can b**** at KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Whatever. I'd deal him now if I was the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 I hope Mark takes all the money he can get here and then runs. I sure as hell don't hope that. I hope MB tales all the money he can and stays with us taking all the money that is due him. I have no desire to see us lose MB just so we can taunt KW. I hope KW will increase the offer, a change of position as he did last July with the Frank Thomas trade to Boston, OR that a new GM will kiss and make up with MB and MB stays forever. I sure as hell do not want MB to take the money and run just so we can b**** at KW. Williams did not change his position on Thomas last July, nor has he since. His boss made those decisions. He will try to move Thomas, regardless what Frank does, before the break. Williams will do all he can to get rid of some of our most favoured players, and I mean this season. While there was solid media print about the Yankees being given permission to talk to Maggs, there was too about Konerko and Lee. Watch and see if Buehrle gets rumored too. I'd bet on it. I see no point in keeping Buehrle back when he's been treated this way. We can't win with Kenny Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubleM23 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Idn't he under contract to 2006, anyways (I heard that floating around the WSI boards), so why would he accept a deal that cuts his contract a year? I don't think this is a blatant rejection of the Sox, I think Buehrle doesn't want to cut a year off his contract (which makes sense). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 I dont want to see Buerhle go. I think he is just showing KW the way the SOX players should be treated. Its good for him to get a lot of money and force these cheap ass mgt to spend money. I always heard him say on interviews that he love to stay with the sox so I am hoping he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Let me rephrase that. KW didn't change his mind but his course of action was changed. Maybe there needs to be another Stadium Club party like last July 27th. And then maybe the course of action would be changed and Buehrle gets offered enough more to end this drama of who vs who, and get on to baseball. I want MB to stay. We are not a farm team for the majors, we are the majors. I have no desire to see MB move on. There are more alternatives than saying it is all over, goodbye MB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Let me rephrase that. KW didn't change his mind but his course of action was changed. Maybe there needs to be another Stadium Club party like last July 27th. And then maybe the course of action would be changed and Buehrle gets offered enough more to end this drama of who vs who, and get on to baseball. I want MB to stay. We are not a farm team for the majors, we are the majors. I have no desire to see MB move on. There are more alternatives than saying it is all over, goodbye MB. ummmm markie b and c lee and a minor leaguer to mont for colon, and vlad. only dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Why am I getting the feeling that this will be Jack McDowell all over again. Black Jack should've never left the Sox, nor Alex Fernandez, or Mark Buerhle. I'm tired of seeing our starting pitching go and succeed elsewhere. Somebody get KW out of there. This is getting on my nerves now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Idn't he under contract to 2006, anyways (I heard that floating around the WSI boards), so why would he accept a deal that cuts his contract a year? I don't think this is a blatant rejection of the Sox, I think Buehrle doesn't want to cut a year off his contract (which makes sense). That's what KW said during that SCORE radio interview a few weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Whatever. I'd deal him now if I was the Sox. Don't think that idea hasn't run through KW's stupid little mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Whatever. I'd deal him now if I was the Sox. Don't think that idea hasn't run through KW's stupid little mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Why am I getting the feeling that this will be Jack McDowell all over again. Black Jack should've never left the Sox, nor Alex Fernandez, or Mark Buerhle. I'm tired of seeing our starting pitching go and succeed elsewhere. Somebody get KW out of there. This is getting on my nerves now. You can't complain though, both left the Sox never to do a thing. Ya, Doublem, we have him till after the 2006 season. Also, I don't see why everyone is blaming KW, Buerhle just doesn't want a deal. He's offering a very fair contract, one that would pay more then Sabathia and I think Zito or Mulder, two pitchers that are just as good as Buerhle, if not better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Why am I getting the feeling that this will be Jack McDowell all over again. Black Jack should've never left the Sox, nor Alex Fernandez, or Mark Buerhle. I'm tired of seeing our starting pitching go and succeed elsewhere. Somebody get KW out of there. This is getting on my nerves now. You can't complain though, both left the Sox never to do a thing. Ya, Doublem, we have him till after the 2006 season. Also, I don't see why everyone is blaming KW, Buerhle just doesn't want a deal. He's offering a very fair contract, one that would pay more then Sabathia and I think Zito or Mulder, two pitchers that are just as good as Buerhle, if not better. it goes back to last yr and the treatment he got from kw or so that is how i interpretted the story. but if its a money issue, jr pulls the string here unless he gets his advice on money matter from kw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Why am I getting the feeling that this will be Jack McDowell all over again. Black Jack should've never left the Sox, nor Alex Fernandez, or Mark Buerhle. I'm tired of seeing our starting pitching go and succeed elsewhere. Somebody get KW out of there. This is getting on my nerves now. You can't complain though, both left the Sox never to do a thing. Ya, Doublem, we have him till after the 2006 season. Also, I don't see why everyone is blaming KW, Buerhle just doesn't want a deal. He's offering a very fair contract, one that would pay more then Sabathia and I think Zito or Mulder, two pitchers that are just as good as Buerhle, if not better. I wouldn't say that Fernandez didn't go on to do a thing....he only threw 220 innings in 1997 and won 17 games for them....that's enough for me to regret not bringing him back. He won a World Series that year....he's about the only White Sox player to ever win a World Series. Goddamn I hope Kenny doesn't f*** this one up.....holy s***, that would kill us. I guess it atleast gives us room to sign a few starters or something....maybe trade for Pettitte or sign Suppan and Wilson....something like that. And I say give him the money....he is the only thing we have that is guarenteed to be the real deal year in and year out....give him a 4-year contract worth $16 mill...that's a win-win situation....he accepts it, both sides are happy....he gets his money and the White Sox come out cheaply. He declines it, we know we have no future with Buehrle, so we can package him and a few others(maybe Liefer, Garland and Sanders) for Colon and Vazquez....hey, I want to dream too....speaking of dreamin....it's frickin late....but I gotta science project I gotta finish. Anyone got any coffee? I may need some....to feel a little like this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Yes, the same thing happened with McDowell and Fernandez, but how can you possibly blame Williams for that? It's a very well known fact the Reinsdorf does not believe in paying starting pitchers big money over several years. As for Buehrle, he is controlled by the Sox till 2006 because of the Collective Bargaing Agreement. He is not eligible for free agency till he's been with us for, I think, 6 years. The problems occur next season when he is eligible for arbitration. He WILL rake in the big bucks then, and if it looks like the Sox cannot sign him prior to the arbitration process begins, they will deal him. Of course, at that point, they'll have to give him away. You can see a recent example of that in the Millwood deal. Atlanta had no bargaining power. And this situation is the thing I am most afraid of happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ncorgbl Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Why am I getting the feeling that this will be Jack McDowell all over again. Black Jack should've never left the Sox, nor Alex Fernandez, or Mark Buerhle. I'm tired of seeing our starting pitching go and succeed elsewhere. Somebody get KW out of there. This is getting on my nerves now. You can't complain though, both left the Sox never to do a thing. Ya, Doublem, we have him till after the 2006 season. Also, I don't see why everyone is blaming KW, Buerhle just doesn't want a deal. He's offering a very fair contract, one that would pay more then Sabathia and I think Zito or Mulder, two pitchers that are just as good as Buerhle, if not better. it goes back to last yr and the treatment he got from kw or so that is how i interpretted the story. but if its a money issue, jr pulls the string here unless he gets his advice on money matter from kw. KW is controlling the purse strings t the moment, and has for the past year. He has been overrulled twice. The Sox have been a farm system for the majors for years, this isn't new, not limited to JR's tenure. Tommy John, Goose Gossage, Terry Forster, and a slew of other pitchers went on to World Series with other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Why am I getting the feeling that this will be Jack McDowell all over again. Black Jack should've never left the Sox, nor Alex Fernandez, or Mark Buerhle. I'm tired of seeing our starting pitching go and succeed elsewhere. Somebody get KW out of there. This is getting on my nerves now. You can't complain though, both left the Sox never to do a thing. Ya, Doublem, we have him till after the 2006 season. Also, I don't see why everyone is blaming KW, Buerhle just doesn't want a deal. He's offering a very fair contract, one that would pay more then Sabathia and I think Zito or Mulder, two pitchers that are just as good as Buerhle, if not better. In todays world whether its on the mean streets of the inner city or the gilded offices of the corporate world every one wants respect and nobody wants to be openly "dissed". Buerhle took note of the backhand slap the Sox gave him in last years negotiations and now he is returning the favor. It is a calculated gamble on his part. If he suffers an injury or has a subpar year he loses out. If he continues to pitch the way he has then someday he gets the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow and thumbs his nose at the Sox on his way out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndyce Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 if we lose buerhle, i am seriously going to find KW and shoot him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 I bet Buehrle is no longer on the "untouchable" list. This year he will still be underpaid; next year he makes a bundle through arbitration. Does anyone know what Mark is like in the clubhouse? Is he going to be an "attitude" or still be a team guy like he has been iin the past? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Showtime Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Don't think that idea hasn't run through KW's stupid little mind. I'm all for trading him if he doesn't want to be here. You can't build a staff around a guy who plans to bolt first chance he gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Yes, the same thing happened with McDowell and Fernandez, but how can you possibly blame Williams for that? It's a very well known fact the Reinsdorf does not believe in paying starting pitchers big money over several years. As for Buehrle, he is controlled by the Sox till 2006 because of the Collective Bargaing Agreement. He is not eligible for free agency till he's been with us for, I think, 6 years. The problems occur next season when he is eligible for arbitration. He WILL rake in the big bucks then, and if it looks like the Sox cannot sign him prior to the arbitration process begins, they will deal him. Of course, at that point, they'll have to give him away. You can see a recent example of that in the Millwood deal. Atlanta had no bargaining power. And this situation is the thing I am most afraid of happening. According to KW, they will play it year by year and I truly think thats what they will do. Their is no way they deal Buerhle unless they are getting Zito in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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