SoxFanForever Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 If Boston pays for part of his contract in the trade then someone might pick him. But it is doubtful if anyone has to pay his full contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 No way they're gonna pay someone to take the best hitter on their team, that would be retarded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 No way they're gonna pay someone to take the best hitter on their team, that would be retarded. But paying $20 million to a clubhouse cancer who is lazy and doesn't give effort and whines about the team isn't insane? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 They are gonna be willing to do what the Sox should do with Konerko and Koch, just give it a shot. But first see if they can get any trade value. I won't be shocked if those two find themselves on waivers at one point. If they can somehow get someone to pick up their tabs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Trade Thomas, Konerko, and Koch for Manny, then DH him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 But paying $20 million to a clubhouse cancer who is lazy and doesn't give effort and whines about the team isn't insane? I don't care how much effort he gives if he puts up AVG .325 HR 37 RBI 104 OBP .427 SLG .587 OPS 1.014 I'd rather give that clubhouse cancer $20 mill than give our clubhouse cancer $6 mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 I don't care how much effort he gives if he puts up AVG .325 HR 37 RBI 104 OBP .427 SLG .587 OPS 1.014 I'd rather give that clubhouse cancer $20 mill than give our clubhouse cancer $6 mill. Just as a side note, our clubhouse cancer had 7 more Hr's, one more RBI, .060 less OPS and BA, a simliar SLG, and .037 less of a OBP. Is that worth $14 million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Yes, 60 points in BA and OBP is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 Yes, 60 points in BA and OBP is huge. But $14 million huge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 But $14 million huge? NO chance. Lets see, with Manny and Maggs, we would only have 57% of our payroll in 2 players. Thats a GREAT idea!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 where did i say the white sox should get ramirez? don't put words in my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 where did i say the white sox should get ramirez? don't put words in my mouth. Huh? I wasn't saying that you said we should get Manny, I was just posting the fact that for all the positives about his production, between Maggs and he, thats 57% of our projected payroll.... :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I can see Baltimore actually claiming Ramirez off waivers. $20 Million or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 I can see Baltimore actually claiming Ramirez off waivers. $20 Million or not. Well someone has until noon eastern time today to make that splash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I don't care how much effort he gives if he puts up AVG .325 HR 37 RBI 104 OBP .427 SLG .587 OPS 1.014 I'd rather give that clubhouse cancer $20 mill than give our clubhouse cancer $6 mill. I said yesterday for Koch, Konerko and $5M for each year of the remainder of Manny's contract, I would take hime. Manny and Magglio would not need much more around thema dn this would be fun to watch. Magglio-Ramirez-Thomas-Lee would be very dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 I don't care how much effort he gives if he puts up AVG .325 HR 37 RBI 104 OBP .427 SLG .587 OPS 1.014 I'd rather give that clubhouse cancer $20 mill than give our clubhouse cancer $6 mill. I said yesterday for Koch, Konerko and $5M for each year of the remainder of Manny's contract, I would take hime. Manny and Magglio would not need much more around thema dn this would be fun to watch. Magglio-Ramirez-Thomas-Lee would be very dangerous. That trade sounds ideal for both teams in theory, but I don't see Frank and Manny exsisting at all. I don't think that it is any coincidence that Frank had his worst years with Albert Belle here. Not only does Manny have all of Alberts edge, he doesn't have Belle's legendary work ethic. It would be bad things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I don't care how much effort he gives if he puts up AVG .325 HR 37 RBI 104 OBP .427 SLG .587 OPS 1.014 I'd rather give that clubhouse cancer $20 mill than give our clubhouse cancer $6 mill. I said yesterday for Koch, Konerko and $5M for each year of the remainder of Manny's contract, I would take hime. Manny and Magglio would not need much more around thema dn this would be fun to watch. Magglio-Ramirez-Thomas-Lee would be very dangerous. We've tried the formula of a string of power hitting right handed hitters for 3 years and it hasn't worked. Let's try something else for a change. See the Marlins for an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I read this on the Gammons´ article: "With a number of teams looking to pare payroll, the Red Sox could take Curt Schilling, Matt Mantei and Junior Spivey from the Diamondbacks. Or they could possibly take on contracts from teams such as Houston, St. Louis or the White Sox." If the Red Sox want to pay 50% of his salary i would trade Ramirez for Maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I read this on the Gammons´ article: "With a number of teams looking to pare payroll, the Red Sox could take Curt Schilling, Matt Mantei and Junior Spivey from the Diamondbacks. Or they could possibly take on contracts from teams such as Houston, St. Louis or the White Sox." If the Red Sox want to pay 50% of his salary i would trade Ramirez for Maggs. If they would pay us $7 million, I would take that. If they paid half, then we would save $4 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I read this on the Gammons´ article: "With a number of teams looking to pare payroll, the Red Sox could take Curt Schilling, Matt Mantei and Junior Spivey from the Diamondbacks. Or they could possibly take on contracts from teams such as Houston, St. Louis or the White Sox." If the Red Sox want to pay 50% of his salary i would trade Ramirez for Maggs. If they would pay us $7 million, I would take that. If they paid half, then we would save $4 million. And Ramirez is a better hitter than Maggs. The problem is he is such an idiot. What he did in Boston was horrible. He said that he was sick and in the same day was getting drunk in a bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I read this on the Gammons´ article: "With a number of teams looking to pare payroll, the Red Sox could take Curt Schilling, Matt Mantei and Junior Spivey from the Diamondbacks. Or they could possibly take on contracts from teams such as Houston, St. Louis or the White Sox." If the Red Sox want to pay 50% of his salary i would trade Ramirez for Maggs. If they would pay us $7 million, I would take that. If they paid half, then we would save $4 million. And Ramirez is a better hitter than Maggs. The problem is he is such an idiot. What he did in Boston was horrible. He said that he was sick and in the same day was getting drunk in a bar. Just for clarification and fairness...... I saw that he was spotted in a bar, not that he was drinking or drunk. Unless I missed something, I think maybe you are assuming a little here. I for one, have been to bars and not drank. I also have been to bars and only had a beer or two, which is far from "getting drunk". Don't get me wrong, he put himself in a bad spot and the mere perception of wrong doing can be just as harmful as actually doing the wrong thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 I read this on the Gammons´ article: "With a number of teams looking to pare payroll, the Red Sox could take Curt Schilling, Matt Mantei and Junior Spivey from the Diamondbacks. Or they could possibly take on contracts from teams such as Houston, St. Louis or the White Sox." If the Red Sox want to pay 50% of his salary i would trade Ramirez for Maggs. If they would pay us $7 million, I would take that. If they paid half, then we would save $4 million. And Ramirez is a better hitter than Maggs. The problem is he is such an idiot. What he did in Boston was horrible. He said that he was sick and in the same day was getting drunk in a bar. Just for clarification and fairness...... I saw that he was spotted in a bar, not that he was drinking or drunk. Unless I missed something, I think maybe you are assuming a little here. I for one, have been to bars and not drank. I also have been to bars and only had a beer or two, which is far from "getting drunk". Don't get me wrong, he put himself in a bad spot and the mere perception of wrong doing can be just as harmful as actually doing the wrong thing. OK, but with a player for the team that they were playing and fighting for division and didnt play in that series was ridiculous. Maybe he wasnt drinking but why he wasnt in home taking care of himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 He met one of his friends in the lobby of a hotel. Get your facts straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 That trade sounds ideal for both teams in theory, but I don't see Frank and Manny exsisting at all. I don't think that it is any coincidence that Frank had his worst years with Albert Belle here. Let's see.... Frank won the batting title and hit 35 HR's and drove in 125 runs in Albert's first year here, and in his second, Frank hit .265, 29 Hr's, and drove in, scored, and walked more than 100 times in each category. I wish those were his worst years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 I wish those were his worst years. You and me both, brother. I think Frank will have a good year. Maybe not as great as last year (.267 average not withstanding), but he'll have a really solid year. I hate predictions, unless they involve predicting that the sun will rise in the east and set in the west, but Frank could put up a .280 - 35 HR - 102 year next season. Let's hope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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