Sox truly mired in mediocrity

[caulfield12]

https://champsorchumps.us/records/most-mlb-wins-since-2000

15th and just a handful of games under the .500 mark for the 21st century. 

 

Since the beginning of 2020, 12th in the majors during their overpromised and under delivered World Series window. 

Dodgers (.669, averaging a series win every time out), TB, Houston, Atlanta and NYY Top Five for the Covid years. 

Edited May 27, 2023 by caulfield12

[Bob Sacamano]

They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division.

[caulfield12]

https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/most-wins-by-an-mlb-team-since-2010

21st from 2010-2023

For the entire Hahn regime that put them around 22nd or 23rd...2010/2011 the last two KW regime years. 

2010's 88-74 and then the following season's 79-83 got KW promoted to the front office... well, Adam Dunn fallout, Ozzie and Buehrle splitting, etc. 

Edited May 27, 2023 by caulfield12

[Lip Man 1]

Since the start of the 2007 season they have had only five winning years. One of those was a pandemic shortened 60 game season.

We shouldn't be surprised.

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division.

If the Tigers had a healthy Mize, Skubal and Matt Manning they might  actually be current favorites despite the putrid lineup. 

Or had they freed up Miggy's money to spend on something more than a retirement tour. 

[The Mighty Mite]

I miss the Go Go Sox years so much, from 1951 through 1967 the Sox were 380 games over .500. The W-L record was 1499-1119 for a .573 winning percentage. I did the homework awhile back and the only teams IIRC that won more games in those years were the Yankees and Dodgers.

Edited May 27, 2023 by The Mighty Mite

[pcq]

Wonder if Rick has a participation trophy in his office. 

[FloydBannister1983]

43 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division.

I can’t take any joy from that.  An unlikable team winning a crappy division.  I’ve already tuned them out and that would not interest me.

[Bob Sacamano]

Just now, FloydBannister1983 said:

I can’t take any joy from that.  An unlikable team winning a crappy division.  I’ve already tuned them out and that would not interest me.

And it would reinforce Jerry to do nothing next off-season.

[The Mighty Mite]

3 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

I can’t take any joy from that.  An unlikable team winning a crappy division.  I’ve already tuned them out and that would not interest me.

The 1973 mediocre Mets won 82 games, won the Division, won the playoff series and almost won the WS losing to the A’s in 7 games, right now I’d take that.

[FloydBannister1983]

4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

And it would reinforce Jerry to do nothing next off-season.

How did the fans paying attention make any difference?

 

I notice no Harper, no Machado, no Wheeler on the roster.

 

The Crown Jewels of fans not tuning them out has turned out to be Grandal and Benitendi.

 

”You’re welcome.” - Jerry Reinsdorf.

[FloydBannister1983]

5 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

The 1973 mediocre Mets won 82 games, won the Division, won the playoff series and almost won the WS losing to the A’s in 7 games, right now I’d take that.

I didn’t say it’s not possible.  I just would take no joy from it.  There is only one likable player on the team (Burger) and he will be hurt by season’s end.

(Of course it is close to impossible as they will be sellers at the trade deadline.)

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

How did the fans paying attention make any difference?

 

I notice no Harper, no Machado, no Wheeler on the roster.

 

The Crown Jewels of fans not tuning them out has turned out to be Grandal and Benitendi.

 

”You’re welcome.” - Jerry Reinsdorf.

Two of the most generic second tier veterans that would draw blank stares if you asked random MLB fans the two biggest deals in White Sox franchise history? 

[WBWSF]

2 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said:

The 1973 mediocre Mets won 82 games, won the Division, won the playoff series and almost won the WS losing to the A’s in 7 games, right now I’d take that.

The Phillies went  to the 2022 World Series. They got hot in the playoffs and wound up in the World Series. I don't know anybody who thought they had the best team in the NL. I would be happy to see the White Sox in the 2023 playoffs.

[Lip Man 1]

6 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

And it would reinforce Jerry to do nothing next off-season.

Exactly. We'd get Hahn smugly deciding to talk to the media and basically say 'told you so.'

[South Side Hit Men]

Independent Unrestricted Minor League Baseball plus Relegation and Promotion needed in North American Professional Baseball now more than ever.

 

[caulfield12]

29% chance of winning games league wide without home ring as a team. 

Not exactly the greatest of odds there for the Guardians, with only 30 on the season. 

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/table/batting/sort/homeRuns/dir/asc

Four of bottom 11 in the majors AL Central. 

White Sox now 20th. 

Quite strange to not see Houston (Abreu) and Philly up there. 

Edited May 27, 2023 by caulfield12

[greg775]

7 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

They truly are. Sadly, mediocre can with this division.

Only if they can rattle off 8-10 wins in a row at some point. That losing streak was quite disconcerting (edit fix) and not conducive to making the postseason. Thanks Pedro for your work during that skid.

Edited May 28, 2023 by greg775

[greg775]

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

29% chance of winning games league wide without home ring as a team. 

Not exactly the greatest of odds there for the Guardians, with only 30 on the season. 

 

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/table/batting/sort/homeRuns/dir/asc

Four of bottom 11 in the majors AL Central. 

White Sox now 20th. 

Quite strange to not see Houston (Abreu) and Philly up there. 

If Sox played their games in Detroit ... wow, they'd have Benintendi-like HR totals for most of their hitters.

[caulfield12]

13 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Only if they can rattle off 8-10 wins in a row at some point. That losing streak was quite discerning and not conducive to making the postseason. Thanks Pedro for your work during that skid.

Disconcerting? 

[caulfield12]

Cleveland Guardians' Jose Ramirez seemingly unaffected by wearing Moncada Collection day-glo sleeves, socks and apparel. 

 

In all seriousness, Francona really runs a solid ship over there.  Quality human being. 

AJ and Benetti on Fox Game of the Week just interviewed Cal Quantrill and it seemed our "homer" broadcasters were having a lot more fun than being around the White Sox debacle. 

[soxrwhite]

19 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said:

I miss the Go Go Sox years so much, from 1951 through 1967 the Sox were 380 games over .500. The W-L record was 1499-1119 for a .573 winning percentage. I did the homework awhile back and the only teams IIRC that won more games in those years were the Yankees and Dodgers.

I also remember those pre homer happy years. A different style of ball suited to a different ballpark and ball.

[The Kids Can Play]

Let's break this down in even better perspective to exactly the seasons since 2013 through 2023, when Rick Hahn has been the General Manager, since his initial promotion in Oct. 26, 2012:

               TEAM     W      L       W%
           1    LAD    963    609  .613
           2    NYY    889    683  .566
           3    STL     872    698  .555
           4    CLE     867   700   .553
           5    HOU   862   707   .549
           6    TB       847   726   .538
           7    BOS    846   724   .539
           8    ATL     824   744   .526
           9    CHC    811   758   .517
         10    MIL     805   766   .512
         11    WAS    801   769   .510
         12    TOT    797    774   .507
         13    NYM   794    774   .505
         14    SF       793    777   .505
         15    SEA    789    781    .503
         16    OAK   782    790    .497
         17    LAA    771    800    .491
         18    MIN   756    814    .482
         19    PIT     752    815    .480
         20    TEX    747    823    .476
         21    ARI     733   837     .467
         22    SD      731   839    .466
         23    PHI     729   841    .464
         24    KC      728    843    .463
         25    COL    723   848    .460
         26    CHW   722   849    .460
         27    BAL     720   850    .459
         28    DET     708   855    .453
         29    CIN      707   863    .450
         30    MIA      680   889   .433

Let's get the "accountability" perspective shown as Kenny Williams told us, that he and the organization stand for.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:

Let's break this down in even better perspective to exactly the seasons since 2013 through 2023, when Rick Hahn has been the General Manager, since his initial promotion in Oct. 26, 2012:

               TEAM     W      L       W%
           1    LAD    963    609  .613
           2    NYY    889    683  .566
           3    STL     872    698  .555
           4    CLE     867   700   .553
           5    HOU   862   707   .549
           6    TB       847   726   .538
           7    BOS    846   724   .539
           8    ATL     824   744   .526
           9    CHC    811   758   .517
         10    MIL     805   766   .512
         11    WAS    801   769   .510
         12    TOT    797    774   .507
         13    NYM   794    774   .505
         14    SF       793    777   .505
         15    SEA    789    781    .503
         16    OAK   782    790    .497
         17    LAA    771    800    .491
         18    MIN   756    814    .482
         19    PIT     752    815    .480
         20    TEX    747    823    .476
         21    ARI     733   837     .467
         22    SD      731   839    .466
         23    PHI     729   841    .464
         24    KC      728    843    .463
         25    COL    723   848    .460
         26    CHW   722   849    .460
         27    BAL     720   850    .459
         28    DET     708   855    .453
         29    CIN      707   863    .450
         30    MIA      680   889   .433

Let's get the "accountability" perspective shown as Kenny Williams told us, that he and the organization stand for.

One of the great mysteries is what happened to the team down the stretch from 2012 into 2013. 

A team that plated much better defense in 2012 suddenly just fell apart, more or less. 

Eventually they would add Abreu, who was just a monster back then... but too little too late to turn things back around. 

Feels like none of their top prospects like Beckham Viciedo and Avisail from back then really lived up to their promise... and Anderson was such a raw prospect when he hit the big leagues as well. 

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:

Let's break this down in even better perspective to exactly the seasons since 2013 through 2023, when Rick Hahn has been the General Manager, since his initial promotion in Oct. 26, 2012:

               TEAM     W      L       W%
           1    LAD    963    609  .613
           2    NYY    889    683  .566
           3    STL     872    698  .555
           4    CLE     867   700   .553
           5    HOU   862   707   .549
           6    TB       847   726   .538
           7    BOS    846   724   .539
           8    ATL     824   744   .526
           9    CHC    811   758   .517
         10    MIL     805   766   .512
         11    WAS    801   769   .510
         12    TOT    797    774   .507
         13    NYM   794    774   .505
         14    SF       793    777   .505
         15    SEA    789    781    .503
         16    OAK   782    790    .497
         17    LAA    771    800    .491
         18    MIN   756    814    .482
         19    PIT     752    815    .480
         20    TEX    747    823    .476
         21    ARI     733   837     .467
         22    SD      731   839    .466
         23    PHI     729   841    .464
         24    KC      728    843    .463
         25    COL    723   848    .460
         26    CHW   722   849    .460
         27    BAL     720   850    .459
         28    DET     708   855    .453
         29    CIN      707   863    .450
         30    MIA      680   889   .433

Let's get the "accountability" perspective shown as Kenny Williams told us, that he and the organization stand for.

This is one of the very FEW record breakdowns that even has historically abysmal KC over the Sox due largely to the 2013-2016 time period.